Cows Or Humans

[Lamsey]

Originally posted by insanebassman@5 June 2003 - 00:07
Actually, Lamsey, Humans do need meat. It is a biological requirement. My best freind is Vegan. I mean truly, hard core, vegan. He has to buy expensive and sometimes experimental, products to provide what his chosen neglect of animal foods deprives him of. The suppliments have warnings that say "not intended for permenent dietary replacement". Thus he has to switch and be careful, lest he become less healthy.

Thus, it is a need of omnivores. Otherwise, experiments to replace the nutrients provided only in meat would not be needed.

Omni - meaning all

we eat meat and veggies, not just one. We require a balance. This is not just opinion, but fact.

I can site studies, but I must look them up again, as my life style does not  require I study prior to eating. Therefore, I do not have them handy.

I repeat:

I am a vegetarian and I am entirely healthy in body and mind.
I have never eaten meat in my life.

What exactly is your point?



@namzuf:

Why is it wrong to kill an animal for food? I could understand the sport side of it being an iffy subject but killing to eat?

I'm not trying to belittle anyones views or morals here I would just like to know.

It is wrong to kill.
It is justifiable if you have to in order to survive.
It is not justifiable if you just want a bacon roll.

[Tyke]

I've heard this many times and it confuses me.

I don't take any supplements as a vegan and it's never done me any harm over the past 10 years.

OK, so not a scientific study, I may need to look into this further when I get older

But anyway, at least we were blessed with opposing thumbs and the intelligence to create substitutes if wee need/want to. After all, we weren't designed for flight either, but we got around that little problem quite well!

[DarthInsinuate]

i'll fail horribly as a vegan

with my salad i have mayonaisse
with broccoli i have oyster sauce

err...actually thats all the vegetable i eat

oh i eat peas with my chips

[PB Montgolfier]

I remain stunned that you all think that the quantative arguement takes precedence.

I find the replies to this post nothing short of horrific.

You are defending the position that Hitler's holocaust was no worse than farming. Do you realise the ramifications of this position.

He murdered 6 million people after subjecting them to brutallity. There were countless "survivors" who were also brutalised. There was also an inumerable number of people who have been affected by this.

Your logic is that more cows have been slaughtered and that is worse.

Like I said earlier, if this is the position that modern youth takes I am stunned.

[insanebassman]

/me waiting for lamsey to compare chickens to the slavery of africans in the 1700-1800's

a connection I will also refuse to acknowledge despite all aruments...

[Pitbul]

Originally posted by smellycat@4 June 2003 - 14:56
Imagine you were an alien, , and you were observing Earth.
What would you see?

You would see one species enslaving all other species.
Committing mass genocide.

Killing sentient beings for pleasure.

What would you conclude about that species?

Any Intelligent Alien Species would notice and come to the conslusion that on earth we do what we need to survive, and that on earth the strongest and most intelligent Species survives by doing what they need to. Aliens are supposedly way more intelligent then us and would easily recognize why we do this.as for comparing Jews to Cows and Hitler to Farmers is absurd. Hitler did what he did becuz he liked power and was evil and becuz he enjoyed torturing ppl also becuz he was prejiduce. Farmers do what they do becuz they are feeding humans and keeping ppl alive. not everyone relizes the benefits of an all Vegitable diet. nore will n e one convince them to. i for one do eat meat. sure killing an animal out of cold blood and just becuz u feel like it is shrewd and in humane but when u kill an animal to keep other animals alive then it is agreeable. what if one of ur family memebers was sick or starving to death and the only way to save her or him would be to sacrifice another animals life. would u not kill the animal?

[Lamsey]

I remain stunned that you all think that the quantative arguement takes precedence.

I find the replies to this post nothing short of horrific.

You are defending the position that Hitler's holocaust was no worse than farming. Do you realise the ramifications of this position.

He murdered 6 million people after subjecting them to brutallity. There were countless "survivors" who were also brutalised. There was also an inumerable number of people who have been affected by this.

Your logic is that more cows have been slaughtered and that is worse.

Like I said earlier, if this is the position that modern youth takes I am stunned.

Your logic seems to be that humans have more of a right to live than other beings.

Would you please explain why this is?

[Tyke]

read back a few posts and you'll see I predicted a "what if you were in a highly unlikely scenario" argument coming out!

Anyway, I'm not going to tell people what they should and shouldn't eat, and I'd expect others to show the same courtesy and not tell me that I must eat meat.

[Lamsey]

Originally posted by Pitbul@5 June 2003 - 00:13
what if one of ur family memebers was sick or starving to death and the only way to save her or him would be to sacrifice another animals life. would u not kill the animal?

I'm not covering the rest of that post as I have already explained the flaws in that reasoning.

No. I wouldn't. Because the animal has just as much of a right to live as the human does. It is an abuse of our superiority to behave differently. If a cow was dying and the only way to save it was to kill a human, would you?

And before anyone says anything, I would accept it even if it was me who was dying. In fact I would oppose any plan to kill another that I may live.

Anyway, I'm not going to tell people what they should and shouldn't eat, and I'd expect others to show the same courtesy and not tell me that I must eat meat.

This is a point. I would like to make it clear that all of the opinions I express are my own and I do not expect you to follow them just because I say so.
I do, however, think it important for all of us to consider our own opinions carefully - it is too easy to make a snap judgement based on social conditioning.

[summerlinda]

Do you think is possible for a lion to survive soley on vegataion?

Lion is CARNIVORE needs meat [can ocasionally eat plants too]
Human is OMNIVORE does not need meat [can live with and without it]
Rabbit is HERBIVORE does need plants [can ocasionaly eat insects too]

Humans do NOT need meat, as long as you get all your nutrients [from vegetables, vega stuff, bread, pasta, grains etc etc] Only thing you have to be carefull with if you dont eat grains and green vegatables is iron. Man, i dont eat meat since i was 5 and look at me [i know you cant ] i healthy as hell. In fact, humans eat TO much meat, its bad for heart and vasculaire diseases.