Cows Or Humans

[PB Montgolfier]

Originally posted by Lamsey@4 June 2003 - 23:28
You are still clinging to the view that it doesn't count when it happens to chickens because they're not human.

You must consider this; I abhor all cruelty, no matter who it is inflicted upon. Consider a Jew Battery Farm - that would be as horrific to you as a Chicken Battery Farm is to me.


I do not diminish the horrors of the Holocaust. You are diminishing the horrors of battery life.

It is not uncommon for a chicken to spend all of its natural life in a wire box barely big enough to fit into. It may never open its wings or move its feet more than an inch. It is force-fed fed growth hormones and all sorts of chemicals. Its eggs are harvested and then it is taken to a chicken slaughtering machine, which I will not describe in case anyone squeamish reads it (it makes me :x ).

Now imagine that happening to a human.
My view is that it shouldn't happen to a chicken either.



@ Tyke:

That means if you're veggie and don't like Marmite you're stuffed for your B12

Not really, you can slip Marmite into soup and you don't notice it. But you still get the goodness.

Lamsey

If you truly don't see the difference and I genuinely believe that you dont, otherwise you wouldn't be saying these things, then we have no common ground to discuss this matter.

Everyone Else

Chickens are not wee people with no arms, but with feathers. It doesn't work that way. It's got to do with the size of a brain, in proportion to the degree of difficulty in keeping that body alive. The conscious reasoning part is the brain capacity left over after the keeping alive thing is done.

A cow does not grieve the loss of a child the same way that a human does. They don't have the same memory, or feelings. The most important thing is to stay alive to propogate the species. Not in a specific way.

A chicken does not suffer in the same way that a child who is operated on, for no reason other than research, does. It simply isn't true.

[Lamsey]

I think it is safe to say that we can agree to disagree here, with mutual respect for each other's opinions.

Agreed?

[TheDave]

its 1am so i cant be arsed to read it all. it seems you just made this topic to bash vegetariens (especially lamsey) i think this is stupid and mean and youll end up embarrassing yo self. imo

if animals didnt want to be eaten they wouldnt taste so nice. imo i might explain what i mean one day but for some reason i just wrote bed, im taking it as a sign

[PB Montgolfier]

Originally posted by Lamsey@4 June 2003 - 23:48
I think it is safe to say that we can agree to disagree here, with mutual respect for each other's opinions.

Agreed?

No, not untill hell freezes over.

I have my beliefs and you have yours. I will respect your right to have them and indeed defend that right, to the death.

However I truly hope you accept my right to find them totally abhorent.

[Lamsey]

Originally posted by TheDave@5 June 2003 - 00:53
its 1am so i cant be arsed to read it all. it seems you just made this topic to bash vegetariens (especially lamsey) i think this is stupid and mean and youll end up embarrassing yo self. imo

if animals didnt want to be eaten they wouldnt taste so nice. imo  i might explain what i mean one day but for some reason i just wrote bed, im taking it as a sign

It's not a flame-topic, it's a sensible discussion/exchange of views. I take no offence from anything that PB has written, and I hope he feels the same about my posts.

(edit: seems he's not so reasonable-minded after all. Either that or I touched a personal nerve, in which case I genuinely apologise.)

I'm going to ignore the second statement and put it down to tiredness

[PB Montgolfier]

Originally posted by TheDave@4 June 2003 - 23:53
its 1am so i cant be arsed to read it all. it seems you just made this topic to bash vegetariens (especially lamsey) i think this is stupid and mean and youll end up embarrassing yo self. imo

if animals didnt want to be eaten they wouldnt taste so nice. imo i might explain what i mean one day but for some reason i just wrote bed, im taking it as a sign

Oh look, a cretin, don't see a lot of those about here.

[Lamsey]

:flame:

[TheDave]

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its 1am so i cant be arsed to read it all. it seems you just made this topic to bash vegetariens (especially lamsey) i think this is stupid and mean and youll end up embarrassing yo self. imo

if animals didnt want to be eaten they wouldnt taste so nice. imo&nbsp; i might explain what i mean one day but for some reason i just wrote bed, im taking it as a sign

Oh look, a cretin, don&#39;t see a lot of those about here. [/b][/quote]
why do you hurt me

everytime you do this puppy cries

[Lamsey]

I think I&#39;ve put him in a bad mood

[nahan]

Originally posted by nahan@5 June 2003 - 00:23
Aniamls were put on this earth for one reason ,to provide for HUMANS.
Not so we could provide for them.
Thats why they werent created with the intellect of ours.
They were created for a purpose.

Lamsey and select others
It makes you very ignorent and single minded ,to not take this all into account.
To compare a human life to that of a chicken or cow is preposterous.

And poor poor lamsey, to resort to name calling wont win you any arguments.Calling me a "troll "
It isnt needed for an adult conversation.

But thats right you arent an adult yet,so everyone excuse lamsey he has
still got many things in life to learn .