If you could Vote again - Bush or Kerry?

[j2k4]

Really.

I'd heard it was billions.

For whom were these votes cast?

Question:

If a vote disappears "with no record", how would you know?

As it was in tests what would it matter which "test candidate" they were for?-----it was a test.

The point was they were able to make large numbers of votes disappear in tests. They would know this because they would know how many votes they entered and compared this to the number of votes counted.

Now if these vulnerabilities were exploited in the actual election is a completely different question. However IMO no voting machine should be used that doesn't keep a copy for records and give the voter a receipt in the same way walmarts give you an itemized receipt for your shopping and keep one for the store records.

Oh, please forgive me.

I didn't realize Busyman's intent was so pure and guileless.

BTW-on a much less-interesting note, I hear the Dems are soon going to reveal their.............ENERGY PLAN!

[Busyman™]

1) Security vulnerabilities were easily exploited in tests. In some instances thousands votes were made to disappear with no record.

Really.

I'd heard it was billions.

For whom were these votes cast?

Question:

If a vote disappears "with no record", how would you know?

Are you hard of reading at all (at all)? Now after you figure it out, your last sentence gets to the heart of my point.

2) The CEO are was an ardent supporter of Bush "committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year."

Do you recall who won in Ohio at all (at all).

Here's a hint:

Not Bush.

Are you hard of reading at all (at all)? You missed the point (see below). Also I wouldn't be surprised if it was to bring attention to Ohio while tampering with another state. All in all it smells of shit. I rather deal with hanging chads than compterized voting.

3) On a lesser but interesting note, I remember a former exec being convicted of putting back doors in software to steal or hide money.

You're right - that's terribly interesting, and much, much lesser, into the bargain.

How, precisely, does/did it bear on the election?

Hell I'm saying it smells of shit. I CaptainObviously can't prove it, 221 Baker Streetsmith.

People who support war are so unenlightened it is hardly funny.

Most people who use any form of the word enlightened (un- or otherwise) in reference to others have never suffered a significant thought in their lives.

Truth.

I love when you think you are being profound. I'm surprised you didn't italicize more words.

Now lets take all 3 of my examples together and you can see why I think EDS smelled of shit.

The CEO of a company that had some history with putting illegal back doors in software made voting systems with proven security vulnerabilities for a projected close election and was committed to delivering votes to the President. Run-On

Smells of shit.

[Brenya]

Most people who use any form of the word enlightened (un- or otherwise) in reference to others have never suffered a significant thought in their lives.

I'm going to pretend that wasn't a personal attack on my intelligence.

Name one enlightened person today who advocates violence. Name one in history.
The truth is, war and violence is primitive. George Bush is supporting an offensive war. I'd rather take my chances with Kerry; I'd rather support a 'pussy' (as some like to call Kerry without any support..) than a war-monger (yeah, Big Bush the Devout Christian).

You cannot justify violence or war; but it is arguable whether it is right to use violence when you are defending for your life (NOT what we are doing in Iraq). Ghandi might disagree with you, however. Two wrongs don't make a right.

How can you honestly justify that to be enlightened is to advocate war?

[j2k4]

Most people who use any form of the word enlightened (un- or otherwise) in reference to others have never suffered a significant thought in their lives.

I'm going to pretend that wasn't a personal attack on my intelligence.

Name one enlightened person today who advocates violence. Name one in history.

Somehow you quoted the wrong person.

In any case, I would appreciate your naming even one person (in history, if you like) to whom you would apply the term "enlightened".

Also:

Whom among the current/recent crop of American presidential candidates would you refer to as "enlightened"?

Whom among other world leaders?

Busyman-

Who are you to blame anyone for having failed to read the postage?

As one who regularly accesses the catalogue of election conspiracy rhetoric, why do you now default to these weasel-word anecdotes instead of the usual bald accusations?

Just curious.

[Busyman™]

Most people who use any form of the word enlightened (un- or otherwise) in reference to others have never suffered a significant thought in their lives.

I'm going to pretend that wasn't a personal attack on my intelligence.

Name one enlightened person today who advocates violence. Name one in history.
The truth is, war and violence is primitive. George Bush is supporting an offensive war. I'd rather take my chances with Kerry; I'd rather support a 'pussy' (as some like to call Kerry without any support..) than a war-monger (yeah, Big Bush the Devout Christian).

You cannot justify violence or war; but it is arguable whether it is right to use violence when you are defending for your life (NOT what we are doing in Iraq). Ghandi might disagree with you, however. Two wrongs don't make a right.

How can you honestly justify that to be enlightened is to advocate war?

You got your quotes mixed up.

Anyway I actually disagree anyway. When we attacked Saddam the first time, he was fucking with Kuwait. We were not defending ourselves. If we attacked North Korea that could even be justified if they got nukes.

I would not want a pussy POTUS but I don't want an idiot one either. They both are fucking dangerous. One is shooting everyone that blinks pissing everyone that survives off and the other sits backs and does nothing when agressors are threatening us.

Passive attitudes won't keep you safe. People are to fuck with you and you don't want them gaining strength before doing it.

[j2k4]

Passive attitudes won't keep you safe. People are to fuck with you and you don't want them gaining strength before doing it.

Fixed properly, this sentence could have fallen out of Churchill's mouth back in the '30s, when referring to A. Hitler.

Funny old world, ain't it.

[Busyman™]

Passive attitudes won't keep you safe. People are to fuck with you and you don't want them gaining strength before doing it.

Fixed properly, this sentence could have fallen out of Churchill's mouth back in the '30s, when referring to A. Hitler.

Funny old world, ain't it.

Fixed properly...mmk I left out "going".

What's weird is that we have a real threat in Iran and we are fuck all tied up with Iraq in a wasted effort.

Iran has basically said, "Yeah we are getting nukes. So what and fuck off".

Talk about attacking the wronnnnng country.

SDRAWKCABSSA

[j2k4]

Fixed properly, this sentence could have fallen out of Churchill's mouth back in the '30s, when referring to A. Hitler.

Funny old world, ain't it.

Fixed properly...mmk I left out "going".

What's weird is that we have a real threat in Iran and we are fuck all tied up with Iraq in a wasted effort.

Iran has basically said, "Yeah we are getting nukes. So what and fuck off".

Talk about attacking the wronnnnng country.

SDRAWKCABSSA

I wish, then, to ask the obvious question.......Captain.

[Busyman™]

Fixed properly...mmk I left out "going".

What's weird is that we have a real threat in Iran and we are fuck all tied up with Iraq in a wasted effort.

Iran has basically said, "Yeah we are getting nukes. So what and fuck off".

Talk about attacking the wronnnnng country.

SDRAWKCABSSA

I wish, then, to ask the obvious question.......Captain.

It's funny that we are not attacking and we are using diplomacy in a situation where the threat is much more pronounced. Iran isn't even denying it (besides saying that it will used solely for power...bullshit**cough**cough) and has threatened Israel.

Wow I say. Wow.

Whatever card we had, it was played for something higher up the alphabet.

[j2k4]

I wish, then, to ask the obvious question.......Captain.

It's funny that we are not attacking and we are using diplomacy in a situation where the threat is much more pronounced. Iran isn't even denying it (besides saying that it will used solely for power...bullshit**cough**cough) and has threatened Israel.

Wow I say. Wow.

Whatever card we had, it was played for something higher up the alphabet.

Then your answer would be...what, precisely?

How's about we redeploy immediately to Iran?

Good idea?