America's Reasons

[echidna]

@DB :: Your understanding is pathetically flawed, and your aggressive attitude is unfortunately typical.
i agree with Rat Faced & crazy_billy_bats and others regarding the USAs hypocrisy. this hypocrisy is further exposed by the US funding of insurgency in south and central america, Afghanistan etc. beyond the IRAs boston bank-rollers,
as to why the rest of the world is a bit peeved at the USA and why we don't trust the USA, maybe this list will help you notice that the USA is overtly aggressive and prone to violence.
[note almost all US military personnel referred to by this list were US males mostly between the ages of 17-40.]

Originally posted by Compiled by Zoltan Grossman :: revised October 8 @ 2001 :: reformatted by echidna - added 2003 Iraq engagement - 18 June 2003

From Wounded Knee to Afghanistan a century of US military interventions



U.S. military spending ($343 billion in the year 2000) is 69 percent greater than that of the next five highest nations combined. Russia, which has the second largest military budget, spends less than one-sixth what the United States does. Iraq, Libya, North Korea, Cuba, Sudan, Iran, and Syria spend $14.4 billion combined; Iran accounts for 52 percent of this total.

The following is a partial list of U.S. military interventions from 1890 to 2000. This guide does NOT include demonstration duty by military police, mobilisations of the National Guard, offshore shows of naval strength, reinforcements of embassy personnel, the use of non-Defence Department personnel (such as the Drug Enforcement Agency), military exercises, non-combat mobilisations (such as replacing postal strikers), the permanent stationing of armed forces, covert actions where the U.S. did not play a command and control role, the use of small hostage rescue units, most uses of proxy troops, U.S. piloting of foreign warplanes, foreign disaster assistance, military training and advisory programs not involving direct combat, civic action programs, and many other military activities.

1. SOUTH DAKOTA :: 1890 (-?) :: Troops :: 300 Lakota Indians massacred at Wounded Knee.
2. ARGENTINA :: 1890 :: Troops :: Buenos Aires interests protected.
3. CHILE :: 1891 :: Troops :: Marines clash with nationalist rebels.
4. HAITI :: 1891 :: Troops :: Black workers revolt on U.S.-claimed Navassa Island defeated.
5. IDAHO :: 1892 :: Troops :: Army suppresses silver miners' strike.
6. HAWAII :: 1893 (-?) :: Naval, troops :: Independent kingdom overthrown, annexed.
7. CHICAGO :: 1894 :: Troops :: Breaking of rail strike, 34 killed
8. NICARAGUA :: 1894 :: Troops :: Month-long occupation of Bluefields.
9. CHINA :: 1894-95 :: Naval, troops :: Marines land in Sino-Jap War.
10. KOREA :: 1894-96 :: Troops :: Marines kept in Seoul during war.
11. PANAMA :: 1895 :: Troops, naval :: Marines land in Colombian province.
12. NICARAGUA :: 1896 :: Troops :: Marines land in port of Corinto.
13. CHINA :: 1898-1900 :: Troops :: Boxer Rebellion fought by foreign armies.
14. PHILIPPINES :: 1898-1910(-?) :: Naval, troops :: Seized from Spain, killed 600,000 Filipinos.
15. CUBA :: 1898-1902(-?) :: Naval, troops :: Seized from Spain, still hold Navy base.
16. PUERTO RICO :: 1898(-?) :: Naval, troops :: Seized from Spain, occupation continues.
17. GUAM :: 1898(-?) :: Naval, troops :: Seized from Spain, still used as base.
18. MINNESOTA :: 1898(-?) :: Troops :: Army battles Chippewa at Leech Lake.
19. NICARAGUA :: 1898 :: Troops :: Marines land at port of San Juan del Sur.
20. SAMOA :: 1899(-?) :: Troops :: Battle over succession to throne.
21. NICARAGUA :: 1899 :: Troops :: Marines land at port of Bluefields.
22. IDAHO :: 1899-1901 :: Troops :: Army occupies Coeur d'Alene mining region.
23. OKLAHOMA :: 1901 :: Troops :: Army battles Creek Indian revolt.
24. PANAMA :: 1901-14 :: Naval, troops :: Broke off from Colombia 1903, annexed Canal Zone 1914-99.
25. HONDURAS :: 1903 :: Troops :: Marines intervene in revolution.
26. DOMINICAN REP. :: 1903-04 :: Troops :: U.S. interests protected in Revolution.
27. KOREA :: 1904-05 :: Troops :: Marines land in Russo-Japanese War.
28. CUBA :: 1906-09 :: Troops :: Marines land in democratic election.
29. NICARAGUA :: 1907 :: Troops :: "Dollar Diplomacy" protectorate set up.
30. HONDURAS :: 1907 :: Troops :: Marines land during war with Nicaragua.
31. PANAMA :: 1908 :: Troops :: Marines intervene in election contest.
32. NICARAGUA :: 1910 :: Troops :: Marines land in Bluefields and Corinto.
33. HONDURAS :: 1911 :: Troops :: U.S. interests protected in civil war.
34. CHINA :: 1911-41 :: Naval, troops :: Continuous occupation with flare-ups.
35. CUBA :: 1912 :: Troops :: U.S. interests protected in Havana.
36. PANAMA :: 19l2 :: Troops :: Marines land during heated election.
37. HONDURAS :: 19l2 :: Troops :: Marines protect U.S. economic interests.
38. NICARAGUA :: 1912-33 :: Troops, bombing :: 20-year occupation, fought guerrillas.
39. MEXICO :: 19l3 :: Naval :: Americans evacuated during revolution.
40. DOMINICAN REPUBLIC :: 1914 :: Naval :: Fight with rebels over Santo Domingo.
41. COLORADO :: 1914 :: Troops :: Breaking of miners' strike by Army.
42. MEXICO :: 1914-18 :: Naval, troops :: Series of interventions against nationalists.
43. HAITI :: 1914-34 :: Troops, bombing :: 19-year occupation after revolts.
44. DOMINICAN REPUBLIC :: 1916-24 :: Troops :: 8-year Marine occupation.
45. CUBA :: 1917-33 :: Troops :: Military occupation, economic protectorate.
46. WORLD WAR I :: 19l7-18 :: Naval, troops :: Ships sunk, fought Germany
47. RUSSIA :: 1918-22 :: Naval, troops :: Five landings to fight Bolsheviks.
48. PANAMA :: 1918-20 :: Troops :: "Police duty" during unrest after elections.
49. YUGOSLAVIA :: 1919 :: Troops :: Marines intervene for Italy against Serbs in Dalmatia.
50. HONDURAS :: 1919 :: Troops :: Marines land during election campaign.
51. GUATEMALA :: 1920 :: Troops :: 2-week intervention against unionists.
52. WEST VIRGINIA :: 1920-21 :: Troops, bombing :: Army intervenes against mineworkers.
53. TURKEY :: 1922 :: Troops :: Fought nationalists in Smyrna (Izmir).
54. CHINA :: 1922-27 :: Naval, troops :: Deployment during nationalist revolt.
55. HONDURAS :: 1924-25 :: Troops :: Landed twice during election strife.
56. PANAMA :: 1925 :: Troops :: Marines suppress general strike.
57. CHINA :: 1927-34 :: Troops :: Marines stationed throughout the country.
58. EL SALVADOR :: 1932 :: Naval :: Warships sent during Farabundo Marti revolt.
59. WASHINGTON DC :: 1932 :: Troops :: Army stops WWI vet bonus protest.
60. WORLD WAR II :: 1941-45 :: Naval,troops, bombing, nuclear :: Fought Axis for 3 years; 1st nuclear war.
61. DETROIT :: 1943 :: Troops :: Army puts down Black rebellion.
62. IRAN :: 1946 :: Nuclear threat :: Soviet troops told to leave north (Iranian Azerbaijan).
63. YUGOSLAVIA :: 1946 :: Naval :: Response to shooting-down of U.S. plane.
64. URUGUAY :: 1947 :: Nuclear threat :: Bombers deployed as show of strength.
65. GREECE :: 1947-49 :: Command operation :: U.S. directs extreme-right in civil war.
66. CHINA :: 1948-49 :: Troops :: Marines evacuate Americans before Communist victory.
67. GERMANY :: 1948 :: Nuclear threat :: Atomic-capable bombers guard Berlin Airlift.
68. PHILIPPINES :: 1948-54 :: Command operation :: CIA directs war against Huk Rebellion.
69. PUERTO RICO :: 1950 :: Command operation :: Independence rebellion crushed in Ponce.
70. KOREA :: 1950-53 :: Troops, naval, bombing, nuclear threats :: U.S.& South Korea fight China & North Korea to stalemate; A-bomb threat in 1950, & vs. China in 1953. Still have bases.
71. IRAN :: 1953 :: Command operation :: CIA overthrows democracy, installs Shah.
72. VIETNAM :: 1954 :: Nuclear threat :: Bombs offered to French to use against siege.
73. GUATEMALA :: 1954 :: Command operation, bombing, nuclear threat :: CIA directs exile invasion after new govt nationalises U.S. company lands; bombers based in Nicaragua.
74. EGYPT :: 1956 :: Nuclear threat, troops :: Soviets told to keep out of Suez crisis; MArines evacuate foreigners
75. LEBANON :: 1958 :: Troops, naval :: Marine occupation against rebels.
76. IRAQ :: 1958 :: Nuclear threat :: Iraq warned against invading Kuwait.
77. CHINA :: 1958 :: Nuclear threat :: China told not to move on Taiwan isles.
78. PANAMA :: 1958 :: Troops  /  Flag protests erupt into confrontation.
79. VIETNAM :: 1960-75 :: Troops, naval, bombing, nuclear threats :: Fought South Vietnam revolt & North Vietnam; 1-2 million killed in longest U.S. war; atomic bomb threats in 1968 and 1969.
80. CUBA :: 1961 :: Command operation CIA-directed exile invasion fails.
81. GERMANY :: 1961 :: Nuclear threat Alert during Berlin Wall crisis.
82. CUBA :: 1962 :: Nuclear threat, Naval :: Blockade during missile crisis; near-war with USSR.
83. LAOS :: 1962 :: Command operation :: Military buildup during guerrilla war.
84. PANAMA :: 1964 :: Troops :: Panamanians shot for urging canal's return.
85. INDONESIA :: 1965 :: Command operation :: Million killed in CIA-assisted army coup.
86. DOMINICAN REPUBLIC :: 1965-66 :: Troops, bombing :: Marines land during election campaign.
87. GUATEMALA :: 1966-67 :: Command operation :: Green Berets intervene against rebels.
88. DETROIT :: 1967 :: Troops :: Army battles Blacks, 43 killed.
89. UNITED STATES :: 1968 :: Troops :: After King is shot; over 21,000 soldiers in cities.
90. CAMBODIA :: 1969-75 :: Bombing, troops, naval :: Up to 2 million killed in decade of bombing, starvation, and political chaos.
91. OMAN :: 1970 :: Command operation :: U.S. directs Iranian marine invasion.
92. LAOS :: 1971-73 :: Command operation, bombing :: U.S. directs South Vietnamese invasion; "carpet-bombs" countryside.
93. SOUTH DAKOTA :: 1973 :: Command operation :: Army directs Wounded Knee siege of Lakotas.
94. MIDEAST :: 1973 :: Nuclear threat :: World-wide alert during Mideast War.
95. CHILE :: 1973 :: Command operation :: CIA-backed coup ousts elected marxist president.
96. CAMBODIA :: 1975 :: Troops, bombing Gas captured ship, 28 die in copter crash.
97. ANGOLA :: 1976-92 :: Command operation :: CIA assists South African-backed rebels.
98. IRAN :: 1980 :: Troops, nuclear threat :: aborted bombing Raid to rescue Embassy hostages; 8 troops die in copter-plane crash. Soviets war-ned not to get involved in revolution.
99. LIBYA :: 1981 :: Naval jets :: Two Libyan jets shot down in manoeuvres.
100. EL SALVADOR :: 1981-92 :: Command operation, troops Advisors, overflights :: aid anti-rebel war, soldiers briefly involved in hostage clash.
101. NICARAGUA :: 1981-90 :: Command operation, naval :: CIA directs exile (Contra) invasions, plants harbour mines against revolution.
102. LEBANON :: 1982-84 :: Naval, bombing, troops :: Marines expel PLO and back Phalangists, Navy bombs and shells Muslim and Syrian positions.
103. HONDURAS :: 1983-89 :: Troops :: Manoeuvres help build bases near borders.
104. GRENADA :: 1983-84 :: Troops, bombing :: Invasion four years after revolution.
105. IRAN :: 1984 :: Jets :: Two Iranian jets shot down over Persian Gulf.
106. LIBYA :: 1986 :: Bombing, naval :: Air strikes to topple nationalist govt.
107. BOLIVIA :: 1986 :: Troops :: Army assists raids on cocaine region.
108. IRAN :: 1987-88 :: Naval, bombing :: US intervenes on side of Iraq in war.
109. LIBYA :: 1989 :: Naval jets :: Two Libyan jets shot down.
110. VIRGIN ISLANDS :: 1989 :: Troops :: St. Croix Black unrest after storm.
111. PHILIPPINES :: 1989 :: Jets :: Air cover provided for government against coup.
112. PANAMA :: 1989-90 :: Troops, bombing :: Nationalist government ousted by 27,000 soldiers, leaders arrested, 2000+ killed.
113. LIBERIA :: 1990 :: Troops :: Foreigners evacuated during civil war.
114. SAUDI ARABIA :: 1990-91 :: Troops, jets :: Iraq countered after invading Kuwait; 540,000 troops also stationed in Oman, Qatar, Bahrain, UAE, Israel.
115. IRAQ :: 1990-? :: Bombing, troops, naval :: Blockade of Iraqi and Jordanian ports, air strikes; 200,000+ killed in invasion of Iraq and Kuwait; no-fly zone over Kurdish north, Shiite south, large-scale destruction of Iraqi military.
116. KUWAIT :: 1991 :: Naval, bombing, troops :: Kuwait royal family returned to throne.
117. LOS ANGELES :: 1992 :: Troops :: Army, Marines deployed against anti-police uprising.
118. SOMALIA :: 1992-94 :: Troops, naval, bombing :: U.S.-led United Nations occupation during civil war; raids against one Mogadishu faction.
119. YUGOSLAVIA :: 1992-94 :: Naval :: Nato blockade of Serbia and Montenegro.
120. BOSNIA :: 1993-95 :: Jets, bombing :: No-fly zone patrolled in civil war; downed jets, bombed Serbs.
121. HAITI :: 1994-96 :: Troops, naval :: Blockade against military government; troops restore President Aristide to office three years after coup.
122. CROATIA :: 1995 :: Bombing :: Krajina Serb airfields attacked before Croatian offensive.
123. ZAIRE (CONGO) :: 1996-97 :: Troops :: Marines at Rwandan Hutu refuge camps, in area where Congo revolution begins.
124. LIBERIA :: 1997 :: Troops :: Soldiers under fire during evacuation of foreigners.
125. ALBANIA :: 1997 :: Troops :: Soldiers under fire during evacuation of foreigners.
126. SUDAN :: 1998 :: Missiles ::Attack on pharmaceutical plant alleged to be "terrorist" nerve gas plant.
127. AFGHANISTAN :: 1998 :: Missiles :: Attack on former CIA training camps used by Islamic fundamentalist groups alleged to have attacked embassies.
128. IRAQ :: 1998-? :: Bombing, Missiles :: Four days of intensive air strikes after weapons inspectors allege Iraqi obstructions.
129. YUGOSLAVIA :: 1999-? :: Bombing, Missiles :: Heavy NATO air strikes after Serbia declines to withdraw from Kosovo.
130. YEMEN :: 2000 :: Naval :: Suicide bomb attack on USS Cole.
131. MACEDONIA :: 2001 :: Troops :: NATO troops shift and partially disarm Albanian rebels.
132. UNITED STATES :: 2001 :: Jets, naval :: Response to hijacking attacks.
133. AFGHANISTAN :: 2001 :: Massive U.S. mobilisation to attack Taliban, Bin Laden.
134. IRAQ :: 2003 :: Massive U.S. mobilisation ostensibly to capture weapons of mass destruction held by Saddam Husein

For more information or with comments and additions please contact:
Zoltan Grossman, 1705 Rutledge, Madison, WI 53704
Phone Fax (608)246-2256. [email protected]

Among sources used, besides news reports, are the Congressional Record (23 June 1969), 180 Landings by the U.S. Marine Corps History Division, Ege & Makhijani in Counterspy (July-Aug. 1982), and Daniel Ellsberg in Protest & Survive. "Instances of Use of United States Forces Abroad, 1798-1993" by Ellen C. Collier of the Library of Congress Congressional Research Service.
echidna sourced this list from Znet

DarkBlizzard unfortunately you are a fine example as to how the USA can elect someone who doesn't know who the leader of Pakistan is [they (pakistan) just got 'the bomb' you know]
As the combat ops in iraq demonstrate americans are more of a danger to themselves than anyone else :: or didn't you notice that the majority of casualties were americans shooting other americans [oh, oops, i mean 'friendly fire']

you might also want to notice that ALL of the jounalists killed or wounded in the iraq conflict were hit by US forces :: i don't believe that 1st amendment rights really mean anything to the US forces.


[you try to tell us you're 'the good guys' :: good for what? i ask, fertilizer?]

Ed. typo

[j2k4]

Originally posted by TheDave+17 June 2003 - 13:20--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (TheDave &#064; 17 June 2003 - 13:20)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-evilbagpuss@17 June 2003 - 18:17

The degree of pure contrarianism you demonstrate continues to amaze.

hehe, thats the 2nd time you&#39;ve used that word without explaining yourself. What was it about my post that you believed defies conventional wisdom? This is the 2nd time I&#39;ve been forced to ask you that. Any chance of an explanation or are you going to continure making irrelevant statements?

Are your implying that the US Gvt is incapable of stopping IRA fund raising that has been going on for over 3 decades? If that doesnt defy conventional wisdom I dont know what does.

I see a pattern emerging here.. when you get backed into a corner and cant defend your views you break out the thesaurus.

so its not just me then.[/b][/quote]
I promised to answer you two; let it not be said that I was backed down by such a pair of ankle-biting neophytes.

I&#39;m including you, TheDave, as you decided to buy in cheap by hitching a ride on EPB&#39;s rather short and fragile coat-tails-I&#39;m sure he&#39;s noticed the extra weight and drag of your Johnny-come-lately presence.

I won&#39;t address the entirety of our postings; to do so would be redundant-and even more boring, frankly, than this post will probably be.

It should quite suffice to say this, instead:

Were the points I have made anything less than perfectly clear, you would be part of a chorus, instead of the feckless pair of squallers you are.

Neither is it my responsibility to instruct you as to any standard of decorum; if you cannot be troubled to learn from the abundant examples here (not mine, mind you), then you deserve the contempt of all who post here.

I have encountered many in this forum with whom I&#39;ve had a knock-down, drag-out disagreement-some have even descended to the rhetorical level of this one.

In the end, however, respect is always rendered, and corners retreated to, with the intent of doing it all over again at the first opportunity.

I can forecast no such denouement in your case.

You see, although I can count something less than a handful of members with whom I share a more-or-less total empathy, the rest stand at all different points of the spectrum of opinion.

Nonetheless, one thing is certain: They are all worthy of true respect; and we all try to at least play at conducting ourselves with reasonable dignity.

You two demonstrate no such inclination.

One more thing:

The decorum I mentioned earlier would ordinarily restrain me from commenting, but, arrogant bastard that I am, I have to say I have noticed about both of you a distinctly Gaullist air-in light of this, I feel it my duty and pleasure to re-christen you as "Jacques" and "Gilles".

Please enjoy your stay, guys; volley at your leisure-

[crazy_billy_bats]

Originally posted by clocker+17 June 2003 - 23:09--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (clocker &#064; 17 June 2003 - 23:09)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-crazy_billy_bats@17 June 2003 - 12:43

I myself agree and support every human beings right to express themselves.

However, i believe people who express a will to give money to murderers should not be allowed to proceed in their "activities", whatever they may be.

Make up your mind, Billy. [/b][/quote]


Boy oh boy......

I have made up my mind, those American&#39;s make me sick.


They shouldnt be allowed to express their right to murder people.
Obvious enough?

[J'Pol]

One can only assume that anyone willing to sweepingly generalise all American citizens as funders of terrorism and murder would afford the Irish the same and accuse them all of being terrorists and murderers. Or would that just be ludicrous.

With due deference to myfiles lack of comfort at the visual emphasis.

[crazy_billy_bats]

Originally posted by JPaul@18 June 2003 - 07:04
One can only assume that anyone willing to sweepingly generalise all American citizens as funders of terrorism and murder would afford the Irish the same and accuse them all of being terrorists and murderers. Or would that just be ludicrous.

Oh my goodness....

This begins to get even more ridiculous.

I made the point i wasnt generalising, you might want to read my posts.

I say those Americans make me sick, referring to the idiots who fund-raise.

I dont mean all of them, as im sure anyone else who read that would realise.

My point has been made, human beings who fund murderers make me sick, both Irish and Americans.

[DarkBlizzard]

whoa&#33;....i havent red this topic for like 2 days.....u guys sure have been talkin.....anyway

billy_bats i didnt mean to be mean to you....i forget u were Irish....i was just saying its sort of odd that i like people from Great Britian more than i do from Ireland because my family is from Ireland

[crazy_billy_bats]

Originally posted by DarkBlizzard@18 June 2003 - 07:53
whoa&#33;....i havent red this topic for like 2 days.....u guys sure have been talkin.....anyway

billy_bats i didnt mean to be mean to you....i forget u were Irish....i was just saying its sort of odd that i like people from Great Britian more than i do from Ireland because my family is from Ireland

Its all right my man no offence is taken, honestly &#33;&#33;

life is too short

see ya around&#33;
Cheers&#33;

Bill

[DarkBlizzard]

Ok thats good....i sort of noticed how people always get pissed off when i talk about anything related to America....so maybe this will be my last american topic

( I get the point that 99% of people that dont live in america hate most american&#39;s)

[echidna]

Originally posted by Rat Faced@17 June 2003 - 17:47
Anyone got a list of the IRA&#39;s activities they can post?

Then tell Darkblizzard who funded them....


THEN point out that UK didnt drop fucking bombs on Irish Republic&#39;s towns and cities.


.............because the IRA are INDIVIDUALS, not a fucking country.

i was going to post here is a list of those killed in the troubles between 1969-2001, it demonstrates the truth of michael franti&#39;s lyric &#39;we can bomb the world to peices but we can&#39;t bomb it into peace&#39;.
as Rat Faced says the UK didn&#39;t declare war on the IRA [or any of the other organisations]
it also shows that killing a lot of people is not a good way to effect the political situation

the list is way too big @3523 entries so unless there is popular demand beyond RFs request i&#39;m just linking to the site i assembled it from;
Malcolm Sutton&#39;s Index of deaths from the conflict in Ireland

[chalice]

Echidna, thanks for that last post.
It was well researched and a wholly necessary component of this argument.