en(un)lightened
Your supposition is not mystifying, it is merely inane.Originally Posted by vidcc
I understand full well Libby's technical guilt; you, however, do not acknowledge the irony of the situation, as is your wont, politically-speaking.
You are, after all, a liberal, as I am a conservative.
"Researchers have already cast much darkness on the subject, and if they continue their investigations, we shall soon know nothing at all about it."
-Mark Twain
there is no god
The situation is not ironic because the two crimes are unconnected. You and your wingnut comrades keep bringing it up as if there was a connection, but there isn't.
You and your wingnut comrades keep bringing it up as if it's not Libby's fault he lied and obstructed an investigation.
Perhaps it's impossible for you to notice that I bemoaned the fact that fitz was unable to convict the leakers when we know they did it.
It annoys me that they got off unpunished, but I don't look at the libby conviction as a consolation prize. I look at it as a different case.
it’s an election with no Democrats, in one of the whitest states in the union, where rich candidates pay $35 for your votes. Or, as Republicans call it, their vision for the future.
en(un)lightened
You bemoan the fact Libby and Cheney weren't skewered, truth.The situation is not ironic because the two crimes are unconnected. You and your wingnut comrades keep bringing it up as if there was a connection, but there isn't.
You and your wingnut comrades keep bringing it up as if it's not Libby's fault he lied and obstructed an investigation.
Perhaps it's impossible for you to notice that I bemoaned the fact that fitz was unable to convict the leakers when we know they did it.
It annoys me that they got off unpunished, but I don't look at the libby conviction as a consolation prize. I look at it as a different case.
BTW-
What's with the "wingnut" appellation, doofus?
Is it mandated for use in your Official Guide To Liberal Rhetoric, or something.
"Researchers have already cast much darkness on the subject, and if they continue their investigations, we shall soon know nothing at all about it."
-Mark Twain
there is no god
Who mentioned Cheney? The three people that we know leaked the name are Armitage, Rove and Libby. Perhaps you have more insider information. If Cheney was involved then he should feel the full weight of the law as well, if he wasn't then he shouldn't. But all that is a moot point now.
I will add to my response of your "isn't it ironic" meme.
Had Libby been convicted of leaking the name you would have a point.........but then that's not the case..
it’s an election with no Democrats, in one of the whitest states in the union, where rich candidates pay $35 for your votes. Or, as Republicans call it, their vision for the future.
Use Logic Or STFU!
Yes. Also Libby should sit in prison just like anyone else.Get real, seriously....
All he said was that he didn't have to sit in prison for 2+ years while appealing the conviction.
The conviction, fines, etc. all stick.
Did you bash Clinton when he showed everyone how pardons work?
Clinton issued 140 pardons as well as several commutations on his last day of office (January 20, 2001).[11] When a sentence is commuted, the conviction remains intact, but the sentence can be altered in a number of ways. Some controversial actions include the following:
* Carlos A. Vignali had his sentence for cocaine trafficking commuted, after serving 6 of 15 years in federal prison.
* Almon Glenn Braswell was pardoned of his mail fraud and perjury convictions, even while a federal investigation was underway regarding additional money laundering and tax evasion charges.[12] Braswell and Carlos Vignali each paid approximately $200,000 to Hillary Clinton's brother, Hugh Rodham, to represent their respective cases for clemency. Hugh Rodham returned the payments after they were disclosed to the public. Braswell would later invoke the Fifth Amendment at a Senate Committee hearing in 2001, when questioned about allegations of his having systematically defrauded senior citizens of millions of dollars.[13]
* Marc Rich, a fugitive, was pardoned of tax evasion, after clemency pleas from Israeli prime minister Ehud Barak, among many other international luminaries. Denise Rich, Marc's former wife, was a close friend of the Clintons and had made substantial donations to both Clinton's library and Hillary's Senate campaign. Several months after her last donation, emails reveal Republican attorney "Scooter" Libby asked her to approach Clinton about pardoning Marc Rich. Clinton agreed to a pardon that required Marc Rich to pay a $100,000,000 fine before he could return to the United States. According to Paul Volcker's independent investigation of Iraqi Oil-for-Food kickback schemes, Marc Rich was a middleman for several suspect Iraqi oil deals involving over 4 million barrels of oil.[14]
* Susan McDougal, who had already completed her sentence, was pardoned for her role in the Whitewater scandal; McDougal had served 18 months on contempt charges for refusing to testify about Clinton's role.
* Dan Rostenkowski, a former Democratic Congressman convicted in the Congressional Post Office Scandal. Rostenkowski had served his entire sentence.
* Melvin J. Reynolds, a Democratic Congressman from Illinois, who was convicted of bank fraud, 12 counts of sexual assault, obstruction of justice, and solicitation of child pornography had his sentence commuted on the bank fraud charged and was allowed to serve the final months under the auspices of a half way house. He had served his entire sentence on child sex abuse charges before the commutation of the later convictions.
* Roger Clinton, the president's half-brother, on drug charges after having served the entire sentence more than a decade before. Roger Clinton would be charged with drunk driving and disorderly conduct in an unrelated incident within a year of the pardon.[15] He was also briefly alleged to have been utilized in lobbying for the Braswell pardon, among others.
there is no god
And, yes, Armitage did leak Plame's name to columnist Robert Novak, who was the first to report it to the public. But Armitage was not the first or the only leaker. Weeks before Novak reported Plame's name in his July 14, 2003, column, Libby revealed Plame's CIA job in meetings with then-New York Times reporter Judith Miller on June 23 and July 8. Novak also received confirmation of Armitage's tip from Karl Rove, Bush's senior political adviser. Rove also discussed Plame, without mentioning her name or covert status, with Matt Cooper, then of Time magazine
You see the talking point that Armitage was the leaker is based on the fact that Novak was the one to break the story, not who leaked it first.
it’s an election with no Democrats, in one of the whitest states in the union, where rich candidates pay $35 for your votes. Or, as Republicans call it, their vision for the future.
Use Logic Or STFU!
Irony?Your supposition is not mystifying, it is merely inane.
I understand full well Libby's technical guilt; you, however, do not acknowledge the irony of the situation, as is your wont, politically-speaking.
You are, after all, a liberal, as I am a conservative.
Like lying about an affair that has nothing to do with a case that went nowhere?
there is no god
Oh come on now.........are you turning into another "but...but...but Clinton did it first" poster as well
it’s an election with no Democrats, in one of the whitest states in the union, where rich candidates pay $35 for your votes. Or, as Republicans call it, their vision for the future.
Poster
BT Rep: +1
It has been going on for a wee while.
Found this while surfing'.
Even before I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby's perjury conviction Tuesday, there was speculation that if he was convicted, President Bush would issue a pardon for him. Presidential pardons are a prerogative that began with another George — Washington — in the country's infancy
The best way to keep a secret:- Tell everyone not to tell anyone.
Sushi Lord
It's a damn shame. "Scooter" sounded like a nice prison-bitch name!
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