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i don't understand what are you sayingOriginally Posted by volp
so way Jews talking about" Nazism" and "crematorium" it now i think more than 60 year did u forget crematorium
i didn't forget anything.
one must not forget such things
Last edited by torrentt; 08-03-2007 at 11:15 PM.
Fst philosopher
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first things first
it's not a war my friend we just talk here and you more than welcome to comment and participate
yes let's make a comment
my friend - allow me to call you friend-
this mufti isn't represent all Muslims as Hitler not represent all Germans.
but let's put our selves in this man shoes
-i hope I'm using the right term
this man look around him ; his country under British occupation and the British help the jews to come to his country and take his land
arabs under occupation too they can't help him
Europe want to get rid of jews by sending them to middle east and in their mind they hoped - they were right actually-
Arabs and jews extinct by each other hands
"get rid of them both"
there is no where to go
here in this moment and with all the killing that isreali did when they first came to Palestine as you saw by yourself in dir yassin and else
Hitler came to the picture giving him a helping hand saying to him " help me and I'll help you, we have the same problem ...i will get rid of all the jews even those in your country"
the man who has no where to go ,no one to help him agreed
what you gonna do if you are him ... drop dead .. leave your lands for outsiders coming from Europe saying Palestine is their land .
this man was mislead like all those who went and killed your people and their selves at the same time why?
because you didn't give them another way
what a man can do when you killed his kids and his neighbors,took his land from him, deprive him from water,food even medication .
you said you are surrounding by Arabs and they want to kill you .
who in the Arabs has your power and you name him equal so he can come and fight you.
you one of most advanced countries in the world
you have advanced tanks ,best air force in the Mideast,
man, you have nuclear missiles.
and you say you afraid of Arabs
you want to live in peace ,Arabians also want to live in peace
give them their land ,obey UN resolution 242 , listen to the Arabian initiative which said " all Arabian countries will make peace with isreal and isreal will give the occupied land back"
what you want more than that .
peace for our land .
i guess it's a fair trade
well,Yeah. It's not as if Egypt runs anti-jewish cartoons in their newspapers or have anti-jewish demonstrations, or show anti-jewish TV-shows or anything. Or that they've made just being a zionist illegal. And let's not talk about the Saudis, real paragons of tolerance they are.
if there are anti-jewish cartoons in our newspapers
this is free speech you know they can write what they like
democracy, you know this term
anti- jewish tv shows ; also free speech you cannot ban tv shows and newspapers because you don't like what they are writing.
i want to stop here for a moment and talk about something i guess it's important.
equal measures ; see
two years ago - i guess- a danish newspaper published a cartoon that mock the prophet of Islam and when Muslims asks them to apologize their response was " there is nothing to be sorry about, it's free speech we can say whatever we like" and all European countries stood behind this paper
now why don't you do the same when it comes to an Arabian newspaper
I'm calling for equal measures, I'm asking you to be fair
is it hard to be fair ?!!!!!!!
ooh ,i almost forgot Saudi Arabia ,
the king of Saudi Arabia is the one who declared the Arabian initiative which said " all Arabian countries will make peace with isreal and isreal will give the occupied land back"
so they don't want war .
i think you got me
and don't forget "equal measures"
Last edited by SAM; 08-04-2007 at 12:05 AM.
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Looking for loopholes
Most Israelis are not particularly religious.
The main problem is that two distinct peoples want the same bit of land. This is a pretty intractable problem. The Jews had good reason to flee Europe and Russia and it is perhaps not surprising that they gravitated back to their ancestral homeland. As has often been the case in history, when one displaced group moves it impacts on another group.
This is not a new situation and history has shown that land disputes are not easily resolved. The religious aspect is merely a current manifestation of the problem. In the 50s and 60s the Palestinians did not make a big deal about being Muslim. The Jihadist mentality is a relatively recent development from the 1980s. Such religious movements come and go and may not be that important in the long run. The land issue will, however, remain until an equitable solution that is acceptable to both sides is found.
However, much either side would like the other to simply disappear it is not going to happen. Accepting that fact would be a good starting point for discussions. It goes without saying that both sides in a conflict are guilty of acts they would rather forget. The trouble with revolutions and conflicts generally is that they give opportunity to those who like that sort of thing.
Cogito cogito ergo cogito sum
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silverfaller, check the definition for democracy
also, this mufti did represent the majority of the palestenians
and yes we have an advanced army, and its mostley for deterrent.
if we didn't have such a good army (and i assum thats what u and every other muslim would want) what do you think all the other arab countries would have done somewhere over the years?
and i don't htink you should try to justify terrorists, and hitlers friends
Fst philosopher
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protection of speech see it protection of speechLiberal Democracy
Liberal democracy is a representative democracy along with the protection of minorities, the rule of law, separation of powers, and protection of liberties (thus the name liberal) of speech, assembly, religion, and property. Conversely, an illiberal democracy is one where the protections that form a liberal democracy are either non-existent, or not enforced.
i think you now see it
once again
you read what you like to read .
and you talk like you are inside my mind and you know me for years .
all I'm asking isreal to do is to obey the international law and give the occupied land back.
why you don't want to give the land back .
why you just ignore international law if it is not in your benefit and use it if it help you to take more.
you want peace just give the occupied lands back
Last edited by SAM; 08-04-2007 at 12:46 AM.
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u listen to international laws when its in your interest
u say we must give your allegedly land back, but u don't say its wrong to be terrorists and kill who ever doesn't want to do as u say
we must obey all the international laws which are in favor of the muslims, thats clear.
don't forget the "no terror" law
and i don't think democracy means u canruns anti-jewish cartoons in their newspapers or have anti-jewish demonstrations, or show anti-jewish TV-shows or anything. Or that they've made just being a zionist illegal. i think it means u need to respect the minority too.
and i don't know you and i don't wanna know you either
Poster
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Israel returning to the boundaries set for them in 1947/48 would be a good starting point for peace negotiations. A lot of Israelis and a lot of Palestinians would disagree with this. I honestly think that the majority on both sides would agree in the cause of a peaceful settlement. The setting up of an exclusion zone round these borders, policed by th UN forces would be a help to maintaining lasting peace.
The best way to keep a secret:- Tell everyone not to tell anyone.
Computer Abuser
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It's all a trick. A trick by the rich. The rich Americans, the rich arabs & the rich Israelis.
The poor of each country is taught to hate the others.
The rich sit back in private. Sometimes all 3 together. And they laugh at the poor.
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bigbob u should check the history of occupations in this territory, some territories which where "designated" to the palestinians were occupied by egypt and jordan, then israel occupide it in wars those arab countries started.
none should be given away. main cities where built there.
its clear to me u don't know many things. i will not explain on offhand cos you won't get a clear view on the whole story.
Computer Abuser
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Hardly anyone believes me.
It's class struggle. With dodads & razzmatazz thrown in to fool the ignorant.
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