@mievmo-why people hate Israel thing-

[brotherdoobie]

Well said, Snee.


-bd

[ilw]

to be fair i thought the video was accurate but very misleading, the bias was more in what was not said rather than what was said, e.g. no mention of the holocaust or the balfour declaration

i've quoted this before, but

The territory was plagued with chronic unrest pitting native Arabs against Jewish immigrants (who now made up about a third the population, owning about 6% of the land).
The UN set up a special committee which recommended splitting the territory into separate Jewish and Palestinian states ...The partition plan (1947) gave 57% of Palestine to the Jewish state and 43.53% to the Arab state, with an international enclave around Jerusalem.

no compensation, no democracy, no real explanation of why immigrants deserved it, not even an explanation of why the majority of the land should be given to the minority of the population. Is there seriously anyone here who will say that this was fair and if it was their country today that they would accept that?

[SAM]

well said, snee

first of all, denmark didn't apologize for publishing those cartoons and about this issue you just have no clue so let me enlighten you
1-danish government refuses to apologize till islamic countries refuses to buy anything from denmark and the danish government felt they will lose a big marcket for their goods they just sent a feeble apology
2-no pressure put to stop those cartoons in fact after the first cartoons published another one was published in france and some again published in some european countries so where is the pressure your talking about.

about anti-jewish cartoons and anti-jewish newspapers there is no such thing
if you mean anti-isreali cartoons that a different thing
cause isrealis occupied our lands and some people in our country seeing this not fair.
i'm really sorry they feeling that cause i think everyone in the whole world see we are blessing by this occupation
there is no hypocracy about it .you are the one that don't use an equal measures.
now let's talk about heads.
outside my head isreal killed tens of people daily in the occupied land
and i guess this outside your head too.
man, you watch too much tv instead read more about the whole issue
and i said before and i'll say it again we have nothing against jews
we want isreal to give us our land back and then only then there will be peace.
about your talk about you don't see many isreali in this thread
well, they just keeping a little profile because they know the arguement won't turn to their benefit

@skizo
Mideast before ww2 had a well drawn borders in fact
jordan was a kingdom since the end of ww1 and syria and lebnon were under french occupation with well known borders and palestine was under british occupation too.
so palestine was known as a country not just unrecognized peice of land for anyone to take

UN didn't permit jews to have a homeland in palestine ,britain did by the belfur declaration 1917. UN tried to solve the issue by split the land.
but arabs refused the split because the jews had no right to come from Europe to establish a country in arabian soil.
and then the jewish gangs emerged and made all those massacres -i was mentioned- in order to terrorize the arabs to leave their lands.
any way this history, and it seems that no one won't to listen any more
to history.
now u said you are supporting isreal cause some anti-isreali cartoons.you give her the right to bomb our towns till we stop publishing those cartoons.
how thoughtful of you , how kind your souls are.
again people
all we want is our lands back under 242 UN RESOLUTION
i guess we have the right to ask for our land back but we don't have the right to make cartoons

i had to edit my comment cause of this thought.

since i have opened this thread no only few discussed the facts i present here.
the rest just discussed the mentality of the thread poster thinking he is a Moran to write those bad things against their beloved goddess isreal and some discuss Islam and some discuss cartoons.

this thread is about isreal and why people hate it not about Islam not about jews not about my mentality and not about asses

and before you twist the facts ,all my comments out of the idea of this thread were only to answer your comments .

so please stick with the thread idea and don't take us to another debates and if you like i will open a thread about cartoons to lighten up your day.

[Skiz]

@skizo
I said WW1, and no, it didn't. That's why the borders moved so often in that era as they were not well established.
jordan was a kingdom since the end of ww1 and syria and lebnon were under french occupation with well known borders and palestine was under british occupation too.
so palestine was known as a country not just unrecognized peice of land for anyone to take
UN didn't permit jews to have a homeland in palestine ,britain did by the belfur declaration 1917. UN tried to solve the issue by split the land.
but arabs refused the split because the jews had no right to come from Europe to establish a country in arabian soil.
and then the jewish gangs emerged and made all those massacres -i was mentioned- in order to terrorize the arabs to leave their lands.

I like how your whole post had almost NOTHING to do with what I commented on, insinuated I said things I did not, and makes you appear holier than thou. Well done.

I'm also sure that you don't believe the Israelis are entitled to the land. I'm sure the Byzantines didn't think the Palestinians were entitled to the lands either when they decided to take it.

any way this history, and it seems that no one won't to listen any more
to history.
now u said you are supporting isreal cause some anti-isreali cartoons.you give her the right to bomb our towns till we stop publishing those cartoons.
how thoughtful of you , how kind your souls are.
again people
all we want is our lands back under 242 UN RESOLUTION
i guess we have the right to ask for our land back but we don't have the right to make cartoons

WTF is this? I never said anything even remotely close to this.

[Busyman™]

Palestine was not a nation but was an understood tract of land from what I gather.

Who was the leader of Palestine?

What was the governement made of?

At the same time how could Israelis just take an Arabs person's home?

I see how this conflict arose.

If Arabs walk around on a certain tract of land but don't live on that particular tract, does that entitle them to tell anyone not Arab to fuck off?

Does it entitle an Israeli to tell the Arab to fuck of for the same reason?

It seems to me that what happened to American Indians was headed for Palestinians but unlike the Indians, the Palestinians are much stronger in number to just fuck off.

I think this a prime example of "what you think is okay is today's world just ain't to some people".

[SAM]

@skizo
well ,i'm sorry
i wasn't talking to you after 3 or 4 sentences but i forget to point it out
and yes the isrealis didn't entitle the land in the first place ,what right European jews had to claim an Arabian land some of them came from Russia and Ethiopia you want to tell me that a Russian guy has a right to settle in Palestine it will be like an Arabians has a right to built a country in Spain cause they used to live there
but in reality, isreal is a country now and I'm addressing its people to withdraw from occupied land cause this will end the blood shed and will allow all of us live in peace.
and my friend this what i'm trying to say
if isreal gave the land back- i mean the occupied lands- there will be no reason for all this blood shed and violence .
i wish you all believe when i say "all we want as Arabians is a Palestine state on the whole occupied lands under the 242 UN RESOLUTION "
@bussyman
many Palestinians today living in refugee camps all over the worlds still had their keys for their houses which were been destroyed by isrealis and they had towns and farms and local police and the reason they had no government that they were under British occupation so there were a British ruler.
so Palestinians weren't walk around this land they were living on it.
and you are right it's like American Indians issue.
and yes the Palestinians won't fuck off till they had their freedom and declare their counrty over the Gaza strip and the western bank.

[SKGunners]

LOL, who the hell cares about this anyways? I guess some people have too much free time to talk about this. Just enjoy your lives and keep moving forward.

[Skiz]

LOL, who the hell cares about this anyways?

Israelis, for one.

The is the Drawing Room and is meant for on-topic, serious discussion. Please leave those posts in the Lounge.

[4play]

first of all, denmark didn't apologize for publishing those cartoons and about this issue you just have no clue so let me enlighten you
1-danish government refuses to apologize till islamic countries refuses to buy anything from denmark and the danish government felt they will lose a big marcket for their goods they just sent a feeble apology
2-no pressure put to stop those cartoons in fact after the first cartoons published another one was published in france and some again published in some european countries so where is the pressure your talking about.

So Denmark didn't apologise for these cartoons and then the next sentence you say they did. Why should the government apologise for the action of a company in its borders when they are complying with the laws. Granted the cartoons may have been insensitive towards Muslims but they did raise valid points about terrorists twisting Islam to their own ends. Its a shame really that actual Muslims where forbidden from viewing them.

Oh yeah another was published in France and the editor in charge was promptly sacked so there was pressure put on people not to publish more.

I think what snee was trying to point out was that the Muhammed cartoons where trying to put a point across that Islam has problems with radicals that need solving. while on the other hand according to quite a few sources Palestinians make rather horrifying music videos aimed at children to incite hatred.
this for example, yet the Arab world don't seem to care about it. hypocrisy at its finest.

[SAM]

well, feeble apology don't consider an apology.
the problem about those cartoons that it included the prophet muhammed u can choose any one to paint yet to choose my prophet to picture in nasty way and i saw the cartoons like most of Muslims saw it and we were mad because you choose to deliver your message through picturing our prophet in a bad way .
and the pressure you talking about came from Islamic countries not Europe
i remembered many Europeans' government stand besides both papers .
about the video
we as Muslims and Arab in the majority hate radicalism and refuse their acts .
but isn't a fact that many isreali soldiers refused to do military service in the occupied land because they refused to the horrible acts they order to do by their leaders.?!
isn't a fact that isreali soldiers killed kids and women in Gaza and in geneen ?!
isn't a fact that an Arabian correspondent been shut to death by isreali snipper earlier last month ?!
isn't a fact that isreal bombed a UN base along with Lebanon women and children in qana?!
and yet you came here trying to defend isreal and yet you came here and post one video when a Palestinian shot at an isreali helmet and you call this terrorism

here is some videos about isreali terrorism

i have to warn you these videos have a horrible images and it's 18+

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NstwYPVOGcg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-jf8ZH90Vk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prLPvqttW9c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG7-9PJ7Kpk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCUQj2_D94c

and here is a documentary made by European

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnA-X2EaIS8

and here is a kid and his father being killed by isreali
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOlzvhx9qOw

and here is a video discribing how isreali soldiers killed a palestinian kid and they erases the video which was taken for the incident
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAR-0XL9n-g

if you want more i'll post millions videos but do you actully want to see them.
i doubt it