here is a brief description of what happened
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCv_2...related&search=
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here is a brief description of what happened
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCv_2...related&search=
Poster
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If you believe all that rubbish then I am sorry for you.Originally Posted by torrentt
The best way to keep a secret:- Tell everyone not to tell anyone.
RANDOM.ADS
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I'm sick of these threads where nothing come up beside the fact that you both brain watched
When will you pull your head out of your ass and realise YOU are a part of the problem..
Poster
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I think that is what most of us are trying to say.
The best way to keep a secret:- Tell everyone not to tell anyone.
Fst philosopher
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what you just mentioned above is what all arabian countries asking for
thanks for your comment
good theory
dear, if this thing confirm any thing it will confirm that Palestine was never been yours in the first place and you are just snatched it.
we are not a part of the problem.
see, all arabians ask for the freedom of the occupied lands under the 242 UN RESOLUTION .
we said this more than millions times but no one want to listen.
@torrentt
i will tell you this for the last time and please open your heart for my words and forget that I'm Arabian.
when you came to Palestine bad and terrible things happened
Europeans' governments sent you hoping that you and the Arabians will finish each other off .
i guess they were right.
don't forget that Egypt is the one who started the peace process with your country and don't forget that till now we the most country in the region helping and giving effort to make peace.
if you think keeping the occupied land will help you so you are wrong it's only will creates more extremists around you .
and make any act of resistance against your occupation legal.
if you evacuate the occupied lands there will be no reason for people to fight you and if they fight you just nuke them.
listen man , i know it's hard for you
you've been taught that Arabs and Muslims are bad and want to destroy you ...you have see some Muslims really said that but i assure that not the majority .
we want to live in peace like you.
all Arabians are mad because you are a stubborn brat don't want to give them their land back and killing more and more every day.
i urge you to stop this blood shed i urge you to make peace and i urge you to open your eyes more.
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this thread is useless torrentt is defending for the thing he has been taught all of his life and he wont believe any facts that against what he has been taught.....so unless he stop for a sec and take a neutral point of view u may notice there is something wrong !!!
and silverfaller i think u should have cleared that egypt dont have an anti any thing system placed by the gov. and one can be whatever he wants to be and do whatever he want to do as long as he dont be a threat to others !!!
and i wont say isreal people are innocent cuz they kill women and childern and i wont say that palastine are innocent also cuz they did the same thing aganist the islam rules witch i can give u a site to tell u all about it but i wont post it here so i wont be attacked (i will pm it to u if u want or to any one )
but take my point of view u come and set in my home and after some time u said to me get out !!!this is my grandfather house and i must stay in it
what do u think i would do ???
change it so i dont get my A** Kicked
Poster
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he is a f*** right in every thing he say , except in the link he was talkin about and we don't make our decision from our heads so i'm waitin for ur link manif that possible
And about the anti system that u are talkin about in egypt
man pls be a little logical
if they just have anti shoes or anti birds they will be strong
but u know that America won't allow them to have that's for sure
so the whole problem in the arabian countries that America but here leg in the Arabians leader's kneck so they can't make a decision so u know what they have to do (if there is somethin happen in Palestine they put there head in the sand like nothin happen and the poor Arabian people who talk about Palestine they will find themselves in the prison) ....and we are here kick ...
so what we can do more than resist and struggle against the occupation to have our freedom like the previous nation like India , south Africa , America and the whole middle east
and no one can say that's not our rights ......
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Well, it's partially true. You might want to watch the movie "Exodus" if you haven't already, which was made back about 1960 before a lot of the politics came intoplay. It's very well made and very interesting, and I believe pretty true.If you believe all that rubbish then I am sorry for you.
Remember that the Middle East has been unstable for thousands of years. There were no real formal country boundaries prior to WW I and the current country states were drawn up as a result of the end of WW I. That alone has caused a lot of problems. Following WW II, the UN wanted to give the jews a homeland, and the consensus was that that should be where modern-day Israel is today. That was a decision of the whole UN, not the "Zionist powers" as this movie claims.
Further, when the jews started moving in, they wanted to live peaceably with their neighbors, but the arabs totally resisted, and they started the first of several wars with Israel, losing it after British and US intervention on behalf of the UN. After the first war, the jews took claim to the conquered lands, just as other countries have done throughout history. To the victor go the spoils of war. Then the other arab states claimed all of the remaining Palestinian lands, and since then have done absolutely nothing to help the Palestinians at all. To this day I think a lot of hte Palestinian problems are because of actions of the arabs, not Israel.
So to sum it up, it's mostly political garbage. You can tell when they start referring to "Zionist powers" they have an agenda to promote. In this case it's just GB doing what he does. I have seen some good sites before on this issue but I can't remember where. Just keep an open mind about the topic. There are a lot of groups trying to work against the Israel position, keep that in mind, especially the liberal groups.
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Use Logic Or STFU!
As far as I can tell the Arabs rejected the UN split of land.
However, even today Israel occupies more area than the original UN split. Due to the original rejection of the split, Arabs started shit, Israel reacted with force and took more land.
It looks like the Golan Heights area was always part of Syria. the West Bank area for the Arabs has shrunk, the northern part for the Arabs is completely occupied by Israel, and the part for the Arabs south of the Gaza strip is now Israel.
It seems that after the original split, supposed Arab aggression resulted in Israel booting the Arabs.
The problem is that there weren't any real lines drawn as a nation pre-WWII and when there were, "Palestinians didn'r like it.
Arabs will act as if the land is designated for all Arabs but never set up a real modern nation.
Israel did.
Well that's my understanding of it.
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Yes, let's take a moment to reflect on that.[/COLOR]well,Yeah. It's not as if Egypt runs anti-jewish cartoons in their newspapers or have anti-jewish demonstrations, or show anti-jewish TV-shows or anything. Or that they've made just being a zionist illegal. And let's not talk about the Saudis, real paragons of tolerance they are.
if there are anti-jewish cartoons in our newspapers
this is free speech you know they can write what they like
democracy, you know this term
anti- jewish tv shows ; also free speech you cannot ban tv shows and newspapers because you don't like what they are writing.1
i want to stop here for a moment and talk about something i guess it's important.
equal measures ; see
two years ago - i guess- a danish newspaper published a cartoon that mock the prophet of Islam and when Muslims asks them to apologize their response was " there is nothing to be sorry about, it's free speech we can say whatever we like" and all European countries stood behind this paper
now why don't you do the same when it comes to an Arabian newspaper
One danish cartoonist makes a few cartoons about how he imagines terrorists view Mohammed, and millions of muslims protest, saying that all of Denmark should apologize (and that's the more reasonable of them). Some even wanted to implicate all of Scandinavia, and right on this board someone even made the cartoons out to be reflective of some sort of collective opinion all Scandinavians held (fuck, just re-read your post and saw you said all of Europe stood behind it, you really don't have a clue), or somesuch. The cartoons were obviously some sort of great injustice done to all muslims, according to what seemed like a majority of people in several arab nations.
At the very same time, the same countries (including Saudi Arabia) ran anti-jewish cartoons in their newspapers. There had already been anti-jewish demonstrations, and, obviously, there were plenty of religious and/or polictical leaders making jews and/or westerners out to be criminals, infidels deserving to die, and so on.
In the real world, outside of your head, this is what regular people call hypocrisy. Freedom of speech is the lamest excuse ever to use, when you have no respect for it, as all the people demonstrating about the cartoons, and the officials trying to put pressure on Denmarks, and the people running the same newspapers that published the anti-jewish cartoons didn't, obviously didn't.
Now, to get back to what the entire thing was about (which you seem to have missed) this is what children are exposed to through that media, and through that society. Someone makes fun of the prophet - it's wrong, and they should burn in hell, meanwhile, making fun of people following another creed is quite all right. Hell, it's freedom of speech, and should be recommended since some of them are so very bad (according to the media, at least).
And, together with that, to tie this in with other things said by the thread-starter, it doesn't seem that strange to me that that Israel at large might feel threatened by surrounding nations (or that they are making an effort to keep support from the west), seeing as lots of people in those nations seem well happy to continue the hate-mongering and keep the agitators, which the governments of those countries seem to have very little issue with, if any at all (and dissenting voices hardly seem to be listened to at all).
I'd also bet that if Israel ever lost the support it has, and its nukes, it'd be a question of who came up with an excuse to attack Israel first, rather than if someone would attack them, given the reigning sentiments.
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Now, what seems interesting to me, right now, on this board, is that currently we've got several non-palestinian, semi-literate chaps from countries with an obviously biased media, willing to criticise Israel, here and in the inbred-section.
Yet I haven't seen many Israelis send much of the same the other way here lately, or at all. In fact, of the Israelis I've met IRL, they haven't been anti-muslim at all. But then again, neither have any of the muslims I've met IRL made any sort of blanket anti-israeli, or anti-jewish statements, not even this former palestian bloke I knew.
People who haven't grown up somewhere where they were fed notions about how bad jews or Israel are, tend to view jews and israelis as a heterogenous group.
If someone argued about how bad some israeli laws are, or how bad past and present governments have been, that would be fine. But idiots making threads like this, or defending them, should fuck right off.
'cos listing israeli errors (and I see some really moronic takes on it in there at that), rather than seeing them as steps in the escalation of ongoing conflicts, is the worst sort of argument there is to justify anything.
"We hate you 'cos you did that and that and that" is a pretty fucking dodgy way to argue, when you take out the full context.
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