Peer Guardian False Security!

[The_Verifier]

For the millionth time. I would like to tell everbody using peer guardian or peer buddy. It does not work, it will not work, and it can not work heres why: First at any given second there are billions of computers connected to the internet ,any single one of thes could be the riaa etc. theres no way to check the ip address of every single one to see who they are, impossible. Secondly they wouldn't even have their computer listed they would appear to be a regular user. Third they have programs that can change their ip every couple of seconds meaning unless you block every incoming and outgoing connection they will get in if they want to you can not block them and allow other users to connect to you, this is impossible. Again they would make themselves look just like a fellow peer. peer guardian is false security than can not work. there is no point in even using it, just cause your getting hits with it doesn't mean its a bad computer it could just be a kazza user thats in the R.I.A.A range it is probably not the R.I.A.A. ANyways you really should not fool yourself into thinking that you are protected because you can not be as long as other users connect to you, the only safe way is to use an encrypted file sharing program if anyone would ever develop a decent one.

P.S. soory for bad english

[Illuminati]

Right now, it's effectively the best chance we have from keeping safe from the RIAA et al, even if it doesn't work 100% (which practically all PG users accept but still use). PG is only as effective as the care you put for it - There'll be a difference between updating it once a week and once every 6 months.

As a wise man's told me recently, "Don't give us problems - Give us solutions"

[DVD PIRATE]

thats technology for u though...as soon as some one thinks up somthing ,some one else thinks up a way around it and vice-versa..nothing much the end user like me and u can do but sit around waiting for the dust to settle

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by DVD PIRATE@29 June 2003 - 21:52
as soon as some one thinks up somthing ,some one else thinks up a way around it and vice-versa..

So as soon as someone else thinks of a way round it, someone thinks something up.

How bizarre.

[AR8]

But even if the RIAA stops File-Sharing Programs, like DVD Pirate said, the odds are, society will most likely find ANOTHER way to get free media, right? I'd concur to this.

[Switeck]

Originally posted by DVD PIRATE@29 June 2003 - 15:52
nothing much the end user like me and u can do but sit around waiting for the dust to settle

There are so many free tools out now that you could go HUNTING the bad guys that Peer Guardian is supposed to block (which it sometimes doesn't for various reasons.)

And there is THIS message board to spread the word if you find anything particularly interesting.

I don't mean posting big, long blocklists you use in Peer Guardian -- but rather CHECKING individual entries in Peer Guardian to see if any part of them is what they say they are!

The haystack won't seem as big if we have more people doing this.
We are many, split up, and somewhat hard-to-find (ip-wise).
Plus, we outnumber them. B)

What we're hunting for, despite what others have said, are almost entirely in fixed ip ranges. They DO have many ip ranges, but they cannot just disconnect and reboot to get a new ip address. Once we find and verify a web range they're using, it costs them serious money to get a new one if they wish to change. (A T-1 line can easily cost $1k/month.)

Even a WHOIS check is enough to verify many of these ip ranges in Peer Guardian, but it's far more than 1 person alone can easily do. If it's a match, no more searching needs to be done -- but if it's not the range may STILL be a partially or totally hostile one hidden inside a large ISP.

[dingdongding]

Originally posted by The_Verifier@29 June 2003 - 20:19
For the millionth time. I would like to tell everbody using peer guardian or peer buddy. It does not work, it will not work, and it can not work heres why: First at any given second there are billions of computers connected to the internet ,any single one of thes could be the riaa etc. theres no way to check the ip address of every single one to see who they are, impossible. Secondly they wouldn't even have their computer listed they would appear to be a regular user. Third they have programs that can change their ip every couple of seconds meaning unless you block every incoming and outgoing connection they will get in if they want to you can not block them and allow other users to connect to you, this is impossible. Again they would make themselves look just like a fellow peer. peer guardian is false security than can not work. there is no point in even using it, just cause your getting hits with it doesn't mean its a bad computer it could just be a kazza user thats in the R.I.A.A range it is probably not the R.I.A.A. ANyways you really should not fool yourself into thinking that you are protected because you can not be as long as other users connect to you, the only safe way is to use an encrypted file sharing program if anyone would ever develop a decent one.

P.S. soory for bad english

i thought better about posting the more sophisticated methods of determining where the anti p2p groups operate from so i'll just second switeck...
i'm tired of hearing ppl advocate apathy...although i do agree the future is encrypted file sharing and the like i personally can't do much about that right now...so there's no need to discourage ppl from using pg and or importing the ips into a personal firewall etc- escpecially when you apparently don't understand the methods used in finding the ranges (beyond whois searches)

[The_Verifier]

I'm not trying to discourage anybody from using P.G. nor am I saying it is worthless. I'm just saying it will not protect you thats all. I am also not trying to discourage sharing, I think we should all share then maybe they will just give up and realize they can't stop p2p which they can't. Peer guardian would have a good purpose if they would use it only for the ips of people who don't share but blocking out 8 million computers. then you wonder why you can't download from anybody and why nobodys sharing when you are probably blocking a lot of kazaa users from connect to you because of all the broad ranges.

[The_Verifier]

just remember they have to get your computer "hard drive" to actually prove anything, and you will probably get a letter from your isp first. I don't use peer guardian. why because they will probably warn me first which if they do I will deny it. they have to get your hard drive they won't be getting mine period. I will burn it as they are breaking the door down. Besides I just use a portable hard drive which plugs into my usb port it can be easily unplugged and stashed. I would recommend you just do the same and quit being paranoid. you will know if your in trouble, and by the way for those of u who do you use peer guardian you won't be getting any of my files because peer guardian blocks out my ip and I am just a regular like the rest of you. Share lots and screw them what are they going do? Sue me I'll just file bankruptcy the next day they r not getting my computer or a fricking dime out of me period. Peer guardian or not!!!!

[asmithz]

it helps me i get RIAA blocks alot i run it a a percuaion also i use norton firewall