Strange Sound, Screeching Songs...et Cetera

[VIDE-VICI]

Originally posted by mp3geek@6 October 2003 - 16:14
I can't stand fakes any longer!!! If you do find a working song, how about labeling the song by putting a *non-fake* tag before the song... This can be done by going to My Kazaa Lite K++ -> Right Click on file and then go to edit details then filling out the appropiate box. or simply renaming the song.

Then this will make sure that we don't waste time downloading screeching,looping etc.. dodgy files.

KAZZA LITE USED TO ROCK BUT NOW...

Just limit your downloads to come from only two or three people, and nine times out of ten you'll get a good download. Labelling won't work, like Kwahya says; the RIAA would catch on and label their corrupted files the same.

[omnipotence]

Ok, from my experiences I'm quite sure this isn't the RIAA.

I've probably downloaded 25-30 screeching songs now, and yesterday I noticed a pattern. All of these songs had a significant amount of sources, but those which screeched had mixed sources. What I mean by this is that some of the sources were different songs but with the same track name. Or the same song with a different bitrate.

Try Nothingface - Ether (192). You get a massive amount of sources, over 150. But a small number of them are actually a song by Nas (160). I checked some of the other songs that people have complained about here and noticed the same thing.

I have no idea how to fix this, but I'm pretty sure it occurs when the search function adds different songs under the one sources simply because they have the same title. I can't explain why this has only happened recently, perhaps that has something to do with the RIAA. Anyway, just my observations...

[SpecialAgentPunk]

Okay, so I tried download Clarity- John Mayer and those first ten seconds were sounding good and smooth jazz, then it goes boom and I can hear cats and Satan and my stupid modem. This was the second corrupt file I remember ever downloading, the other was Stupid Girl- Cold. And I thought it was no big deal and it was just something in my mp3 players or something, and thought that if i went here, I could get the solution.

And then I find that there's a post about 30+ pages long on my same problem; so this has to be RIAA. You have to admit, it's a pretty good idea.

Someone make a list of all the songs reported

Anyways, for the Clarity file that scared the piss out of me when that screech came on, has a 3906 bandwith and 40 users, and the file sizes are different. Don't know what else to report because I'm new and computer illiterate.

[reparated]

I've downloaded a lot of these "screeching" files, i hate them and the first one scared the hell out of me.

Anyway it always seems that when the bandwidth is 3906 it usually is a corrupted file. I don't know if this is a RIAA bandwidth or not but I'm going to try and download the songs that everyone is having problems with and see if it has anything to do with the 3906 bandwidth.

And the corrupted files almost always seem to have a million sources.

[podiboq]

I came across a topic I felt I had to share in the hope that there would and could be a solution for....:

Those who understand will be bored by this - but it might help some others make sense of what's going on.

There have been a lot of references here to "fake files". It turns out though it's much more evil than just planting some fake files. RIAA's hackers are taking advantage of a serious flaw in Kazaa's Hashing system to plant files which as far as the KAZAA search algorithms are concerned are identical to the real files. In reality parts of these files have been replaced with the 'orrible noise people are compaining about.

Because the bad files look the same to Kazaa as the good ones, and because when you download you usually download pieces of the file from multiple sources it's totally possible to get a corrupted piece with that 'orrible noise from one user that effectively ruins your whole download, and also creates yet another corrupted version of the file.

The defect in the Kazza protocols is that the identification of a song for the purposes of search is based on a "hash" : this is a large number computed by say adding all of the bytes of data in the song together and taking the last N digits or bits (in reality a fancier algorithm would be used). Kazza F!@#$ed up big time because they designed their hash algorithm to only include certain chunks of the file rather then every single byte and which chunks are included (and not) is very well known. So RIAA can fool the hash algorithm by trashing the bytes of the file which aren't included in the hash calculation. The trashed file will then have the same hash as the good file and will be downloaded as part of it.

What is really "nice" here is that this spreads corrupted sections of the file into new downloads due to Kazaa's multi-source feature - it spreads almost like a virus. Narsti!

The one thing that everyone can do now is to DELETE CORRUPTED FILES IMMEDIATELY!!!!

Beyond that, if KLite could download files into a non-shared directory then people could listen to the files to make sure they're OK before sharing them. KLite could implement features to support verifying files and moving them to shared.

In the end it may be necessary for Kazaa to fix their hash algorithm in which case software will probably need to be upgraded. Whether in the present legal climate they will feel safe fixing their bug is open to question.

And by the way, the defect that RIAA exploits is not inherently limited to any one bandwidth - if they aren't planting 192 bit rate files today, it's only because they ain't gotten around to it - they could.

podiboq

[Gre1]

Yes, I hope all noobs read this.

[MUSLEMAN]

did you know about this??

[podiboq]

No I didn't. But it's not what I mean. This is a solution after downlaod. Let's get the root of evil. Try to filter before download.

No?

[Inspector Hound]

Deep Purple--Smoke on the Water

There are a bunch of different users who have it, but every single one, at some point in the song, break out into a noise that sounds like a microphone pointed at a speaker while a hundred babies scream into it and a 40-inch speaker plays white noise at full blast. I hate it. AND I CAN'T GET THE BLOODY SONG OUT OF MY HEAD. DAH-DAH-DAH--DAH-DAH-DA-DA--DAH-DAH-DAH-DA-DA. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[Celerystalksme]