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    You are also wrong. What do you think a Dakini is? In The Ultimate Truth there is no right or wrong..and you are part of my experience.



    Perhaps then it might be preferable if then you keep to threads in your area of expertise? That might help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thewizeard View Post
    You are also wrong. What do you think a Dakini is? In The Ultimate Truth there is no right or wrong..and you are part of my experience.

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    I am going no further than that, partly because it's not my area of expertise
    Perhaps then it might be preferable if then you keep to threads in your area of expertise? That might help.
    I do not care for the religious sects that derived from Siddharta's original teachs. Most of them have been convoluted with regional mythologies including Hinduism. I am concerned only with what Buddha taught to his most intelligible followers and the Buddhism sect in which Gyatso practices, which is the Gelug sect. From what I can tell, Gyatso believes in reincarnation, but certainly no Creator:
    "You are called the 'living Buddha'...?
    The term 'living Buddha' is a translation of the Chinese word 'ho fu'. In Tibetan, the operative word is 'lama' which means 'guru'. A guru is someone who is not necessarily a Buddha but is heavy with knowledge. I believe that previous Dalai Lamas were manifestations of Avalokiteshwara (the Buddha of compassion) and the fifth Dalai Lama is believed to be an incarnation of Manjushree. I am fortunate to be the reincarnation of all these great lamas! (laughs)
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    The Buddha was silent on the question of God. What about you?
    Why did the Buddha not say anything about God? Because he talked about the law of causality. Once you accept the law of cause and effect, the implication is that there is no 'creator'. If the Buddha accepted the concept of a creator, he would not have been silent; everything would have been God!"
    From the man himself

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    Buddha also warned, wisely, not to believe all you read in books, including, Buddhist books.





    ..anyway Ænima, what is your area of expertise?

    Bob..

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    ..in fact the more important Buddhist teachings are handed down orally in the form of the Tantras.. and these are then "passed on " to "disciples" only after years of spiritual preparations...

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    Quote Originally Posted by thewizeard View Post
    Buddha also warned, wisely, not to believe all you read in books, including, Buddhist books.
    What defines a book? A 300 page novel, or a three-lined paragraph? 1 sentence, maybe? I know a red herring when I see one. There is no more viable source for the answer to whether he believes in a Creater than his own dialogue.

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    So we are going to have a difficult dialog over what defines a book now are we?

    He told me what he believed more than 2500 years ago and I relayed that to you here.

    Very little was recorded on paper. You see it's mankind that tries to create dogmas out of words, hence the warning.

    For the rest the Absolute Truth is like a fruit, you are just going to have to taste it to realise it's flavour.

    Many of the worlds great leaders use few words to describe truths, often in a simple form so that even the least learned of us could understand too. The words are just a vessel and an approximtion..I mean try to define the color Blue in words...which is why Buddha didn't even try as that is beyond all of our understandings, his too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thewizeard View Post

    He told me what he believed more than 2500 years ago and I relayed that to you here.
    In what form were you then?
    The best way to keep a secret:- Tell everyone not to tell anyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigboab View Post
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    He told me what he believed more than 2500 years ago and I relayed that to you here.
    In what form were you then?
    ..you have forgotten ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thewizeard View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by bigboab View Post

    In what form were you then?
    ..you have forgotten ?
    That wasn't you, was it?
    The best way to keep a secret:- Tell everyone not to tell anyone.

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    ..it is indeed ... now things should become clearer ... you are on my right side



    ..and this...


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