a bit fucked up, your opinion?

[Snee]

Jail wouldn't bode well for a pretty faced, height challenged guy like myself. I tell you this, I'd be one nasty mofo in jail. I'd let my beard grow to epic proportions, I wouldn't wash, and I'd let shit cake up around my ass.

Good plan

[Rat Faced]

You miss the point.

Stupid Laws should always be repealed instead of wasting valuable Police Resources enforcing them. I have no problem breaking Stupid Laws and never will.

If it's a Crime, where is the victim?

Sometimes there is one, the Prostitute herself. The resources used in this area should be aimed at the reasons why she/he has been forced into Prostitution in the 1st place.

Certain women will always take advantage of the fact that some men, for various reasons, will pay for sex (and vise versa). It's something that has happened since pre-history, it will happen until the forceable future..

If you cant stop it, then at least control or influence it... and allow the Prostitute/Escort etc to pay tax and contribute to society like everyone else.

It's a business, treat it as such. Everyone will be safer and happier as it's taken out of the hands of the underworld.

In some places, that particular trade is honoured.

In the USA they allow hard core pornography to be sold, yet Prostitution is illegal... Hypocritical or what?

Do the actresses not get paid? If they do, then they are having sex for money ie: Prostitution. The REASON is immaterial.

In the UK Prostitution is perfectly legal. Solicitation is not: ie Once you have clients you're OK, but getting them in the 1st place is illegal... again: Stupidity.

Most people in the UK know they're stupid Laws (including the Police) and ignore them accordingly most of the time. Occasionally, if pushed, they may raid a Brothel and they arent keen on Street Walkers...not because they're Prostitutes, but to protect women in the area that aren't. This depends upon which Police Force is in operation... eg: Northumbria clamp down when it becomes "too open", Scotland/Merseyside appear to be anything goes as prostitutes advertise openly in these areas.


Again, i say the fact she was a Prostitute is immaterial. Anyone that takes that into account is a prig.

With the fact that the fella raped her, I agree. With the fact that she was committing a crime known to be dangerous, she's was idiot.

You also seem to have an anything goes attitude.

I imagine you think gambling, prostitution, polygamy, and all kinds of abortions and drugs should be legal everywhere.

Just because something can't be stopped doesn't mean you cave in every time and allow it.

I also can't believe you brought up pornography. Fucking isn't illegal and A ain't payin' B. Also some porno is illegal.

I'm not saying she wasn't an idiot... I was saying some women are forced into the position and THAT is a crime worth persuing.

I dont have an "anything goes" attitude, I'm saying there is no Victim ergo: why is it a Crime?

With drugs there obviously is a victim, the user.. and quite possibly many other victims of the user to feed his habit.. how can it NOT be a crime to run drugs? (Depending upon your definition of Narcotics)

Polygamy can be a "Moral" law with no victim, Government interfering in anothers culture/beliefs/personal life.. However in this case, there could be a victim, if one of the spouses doesnt know of the other etc etc... I would place it as a "Civil" matter though, not a criminal. Poygamy is perfectly legal in quite a proportion of the countries of the world.. your moral code is what defines it as "wrong", not any form of logical thought.

As to your attitude to pornography; you seem to be saying its OK to pay someone to have sex with a seperate party, but not with you. That would indicate that Prostitution is also OK as long as its via a pimp (or Acting/Modelling Agency) on your part?

[Busyman™]

With the fact that the fella raped her, I agree. With the fact that she was committing a crime known to be dangerous, she's was idiot.

You also seem to have an anything goes attitude.

I imagine you think gambling, prostitution, polygamy, and all kinds of abortions and drugs should be legal everywhere.

Just because something can't be stopped doesn't mean you cave in every time and allow it.

I also can't believe you brought up pornography. Fucking isn't illegal and A ain't payin' B. Also some porno is illegal.

I'm not saying she wasn't an idiot... I was saying some women are forced into the position and THAT is a crime worth persuing.

I dont have an "anything goes" attitude, I'm saying there is no Victim ergo: why is it a Crime?

With drugs there obviously is a victim, the user.. and quite possibly many other victims of the user to feed his habit.. how can it NOT be a crime to run drugs? (Depending upon your definition of Narcotics)

Polygamy can be a "Moral" law with no victim, Government interfering in anothers culture/beliefs/personal life.. However in this case, there could be a victim, if one of the spouses doesnt know of the other etc etc... I would place it as a "Civil" matter though, not a criminal. Poygamy is perfectly legal in quite a proportion of the countries of the world.. your moral code is what defines it as "wrong", not any form of logical thought.

As to your attitude to pornography; you seem to be saying its OK to pay someone to have sex with a seperate party, but not with you. That would indicate that Prostitution is also OK as long as its via a pimp (or Acting/Modelling Agency) on your part?

Oh so now you nitpick what could be a crime and people are victims of themselves.

Ok I'll bite.

If prostitution was legal, child prostitution increases, it would deal a huge blow to women's dignity and health, pimps increase, johns increase, the sex trade increases overall.

It is illegal for women to walk outside with there breasts showing yet men can go topless.

Who's the victim if someone sees the woman topless....certainly not me.

...and you do have anything goes attitude. Logically, if no one is directly hurt it should be legal.

Drug use is in the same boat as prostitution. There is room to harm yourself.

[Rat Faced]

Child Prostitution rises:

Wheres your evidence? Does Nevada have 1000's of them and everywhere else none?

I'd argue that if Prostitution was regulated like any other business, it would be harder to hide this. Obviously someone that was "registered" would be over the age of consent and anyone that wasn't would be breaking some law; whether it was underage sex, deliberatly putting others at risk from some disease or tax evasion and so more police resources could be put into stamping these type of things out.

The Agency that regulates doesn't even have to be an arm of Government unless it abused the system set out.


Dignity and Health:

Those women who's dignity suffers from the availability of Porn and strip joints already suffer. How will it increase? It may actually decrease over time as it becomes socially acceptable.

Health can only increase, as Prostitutes would almost certainly be required to have regular check ups in order to carry on working..

Pimps inrease:

No, all evidence shows that Pimps decrease. Its no longer a Crime, they dont need one to "look after you". They can set themselves up in a safe environment with the support of the authorities and able to hire security if they require it.

It wouldnt totally get rid of Pimps, as there would still be Prostitution outside of any regulations eg: as you have suggested Child, Forced, Drug Addicts etc etc ... But at least Police could concentrate their resources to combat these, and these types/reasons for Prostitution are criminal the victim being the Prostitute themselves.


Johns Increase:

Probably, by exactly the amount that just didnt know where to look beforehand but wish to engage a Prostitute. I would submit that's probably is not by much, except tourists and visitors to the area. Certainly the number of Prostitutes and price a decent one costs certainly does not indicate a lack of punters already.


Sex Trade Increases:

If something becomes socially acceptable then there generally is a Growth. However, it will always be restricted to those that wish to enter that Trade. No one is suggesting that you push your children into Prostitution. There is nothing saying that you shouldnt teach your children to live by your own code: Just that you shouldnt push your's onto everyone else.

The fact that "Prostitution" is illegal, doesn't mean that its morally wrong as "Moral" is not a Universal concept. Prostitution is legal, and even respected, in plenty of otherwise "Moral" countries.

The fact that Prostitution is illegal causes, in my opinion, more problems than not.

[Busyman™]

Child Prostitution rises:

Wheres your evidence? Does Nevada have 1000's of them and everywhere else none?

I'd argue that if Prostitution was regulated like any other business, it would be harder to hide this. Obviously someone that was "registered" would be over the age of consent and anyone that wasn't would be breaking some law; whether it was underage sex, deliberatly putting others at risk from some disease or tax evasion and so more police resources could be put into stamping these type of things out.

The Agency that regulates doesn't even have to be an arm of Government unless it abused the system set out.


Dignity and Health:

Those women who's dignity suffers from the availability of Porn and strip joints already suffer. How will it increase? It may actually decrease over time as it becomes socially acceptable.

Socially acceptable hoes? Good point. That's a very good acceptable trade to expose those daughters to.

Health can only increase, as Prostitutes would almost certainly be required to have regular check ups in order to carry on working..

Pimps inrease:

No, all evidence shows that Pimps decrease. Its no longer a Crime, they dont need one to "look after you". They can set themselves up in a safe environment with the support of the authorities and able to hire security if they require it.

It wouldnt totally get rid of Pimps, as there would still be Prostitution outside of any regulations eg: as you have suggested Child, Forced, Drug Addicts etc etc ... But at least Police could concentrate their resources to combat these, and these types/reasons for Prostitution are criminal the victim being the Prostitute themselves.

The pimp would now be accepted as a legit business man. Of course it would increase

Johns Increase:

Probably, by exactly the amount that just didnt know where to look beforehand but wish to engage a Prostitute. I would submit that's probably is not by much, except tourists and visitors to the area. Certainly the number of Prostitutes and price a decent one costs certainly does not indicate a lack of punters already.

Just like anything else, as more things are accepted (like homosexuality) the more they become the norm. Something that was once underground is part of normal legal livelihood.

Johns would increase a lot.

Sex Trade Increases:

If something becomes socially acceptable then there generally is a Growth. However, it will always be restricted to those that wish to enter that Trade. No one is suggesting that you push your children into Prostitution. There is nothing saying that you shouldnt teach your children to live by your own code: Just that you shouldnt push your's onto everyone else.

The mere fact of it being a legit business would make it easier for children or those borderline to accept doing it. It's simply the nature of things. Since it would be socially acceptable, you could have a mother grooming her 17 year-old for the sex trade.

Nice going....since it's socially acceptable and all.

The fact that "Prostitution" is illegal, doesn't mean that its morally wrong as "Moral" is not a Universal concept. Prostitution is legal, and even respected, in plenty of otherwise "Moral" countries.

The fact that Prostitution is illegal causes, in my opinion, more problems than not.

I disagree. I submit that setting up the infrastructure and maintenance for prostitution has more problem than it being a misdemeanor.

[Rat Faced]

Perhaps you should actually look at the facts in Countries where this happens, instead of leaving it to what you think would happen. eg: There's only problems with Pimps if the entire act is illegal... I can't think of a country that has a problem with Pimps and also has legal Prostitution, except in the areas I mentioned that remain in the underworld.

Unless you accept that Model Agencies/Acting Agencies are Pimping.... but you don't. Perhaps because you like to watch Porn, but that would go against your own Moral Code re: Prostitution?

US Law in this area is based upon British Common Law, as is most of the American Legal System... that doesn't mean that the British got it right all those 100's of years ago (nor has it today).

[j2k4]

I will, (as does Busyman on occasion) state I haven't read most of this last back-and-forth between the two of you, but feel nonetheless your clash could be foreshortened by noting more clearly the fact that, were the sex question resolved to legality, the pimps/pimping question would largely subside on it's own, a casualty of the very act of legalization.

Pimps would shortly go the way of the buggy-whip.

[Rat Faced]

OMG .... whats that, twice we've agreed on something??

[j2k4]

OMG .... whats that, twice we've agreed on something??

Not sure; what do you think I meant?

[sArA]

For what its worth....I agree with RF & J2K4 (hi there guys ) Legalise prostitution and you remove the majority of nasty people involved, legitimise it and you get revenue to the governments coffers, leaving more money to concentrate on getting the nasty people (nasty people being those who force, bully and steal from the prossies)