WHO in their right mind would have 17 kids
ohh boy, here in my country people are going for record high, 17 is normal number some have 30. there is a 70 year old man who has 85 children's from 7 wifes and his kinda disabled from his leg. he says his target is atleast 114 children's. since legal number of wifes here is four he divorces one before going to another but he keeps the divorced.
point is older generation people do these crazy things on other hand they had the resources on their own time, money, government support and similar but today everything is limited.
i myself we are 7 children family.