Uk Intelligence.

[Rat Faced]

And why is he a coward? What was he afraid of, after all, this is the same man who ordered his country to war against the will of the world.

Climbed in AirForce1 and wouldnt come down again, when every other world leader would be heading for the tragedy.

He knew it was planes flying into buildings and not a military strike...he could have just hopped to the next military base along and even if they were after him, they wouldnt know where he was....but even that wasnt good enough for dear brave Bush.

[hobbes]

Originally posted by Rat Faced@24 July 2003 - 00:42

And why is he a coward? What was he afraid of, after all, this is the same man who ordered his country to war against the will of the world.

Climbed in AirForce1 and wouldnt come down again, when every other world leader would be heading for the tragedy.

He knew it was planes flying into buildings and not a military strike...he could have just hopped to the next military base along and even if they were after him, they wouldnt know where he was....but even that wasnt good enough for dear brave Bush.

Bah, that is protocol. Don't give me crap like that.

He had no choice and you know it. This type of protocol is set in place to prevent the human instincts of the President from interfering with his much bigger political role as Commander in Chief.

Rat, you know I'm not a Bush fan, but I don't support unfair bashing.


*hope this one actually makes it to the board!

[denis123]

Protocol it may be, what surprised me the most was the number of days it took, before he actually did visit New York.The pictures of Guillani making his way through the rubble and dust, in stark contrast.

As to his restraint about waiting before he attacked Afghanistan, seeing the most of the hijackers were Saudi citizens(correct me if I wrong), then I presume Saudia Arabia is wondering exactly when they will be attacked. I believe that George Bush, like the most of us, was suffering from shock(and awe) at the time. There should have been a protocol in place for keeping his mouth shut.

USA has evacuated its airforce bases in S. Arabia or is in the process of evacuating. I wonder what the long term plans of the USA are.

[hobbes]

Originally posted by denis123@24 July 2003 - 08:50
Protocol it may be, what surprised me the most was the number of days it took, before he actually did visit New York.The pictures of Guillani making his way through the rubble and dust, in stark contrast.

As to his restraint about waiting before he attacked Afghanistan, seeing the most of the hijackers were Saudi citizens(correct me if I wrong), then I presume Saudia Arabia is wondering exactly when they will be attacked. I believe that George Bush, like the most of us, was suffering from shock(and awe) at the time. There should have been a protocol in place for keeping his mouth shut.

USA has evacuated its airforce bases in S. Arabia or is in the process of evacuating. I wonder what the long term plans of the USA are.

That is exactly the point. Why should he ever visit NYC, this is irrelevant. Do you think GW avoided NYC on his own, or perhaps his advisors made him follow this course of action? A leader never loses the forest for the trees. Guilliani represents NY, and this was his obligation.

The path of least resistance is to launch nuclear missles againast this country(Saudia Arabia) and why I respect him for not doing the obvious.

How stupid are you people? He did not do this and he pursued Afganistan, that is the reason why I laud him.

What situation would we be in if had attacked Saudi Arabia? I couldn't have asked a straight man to be as myopic as you have been.

What did he say, exactly, which should not have been said? Or are you just speaking from your ass?

[ilw]

I don't agree that the path of least resistance would have been to nuke saudi arabia. I very much doubt that nuking another country was ever even considered because it is a ridiculous idea. Even bombing saudi arabia is almost out of the question becuase it is the worlds largest oil exporter and America is the worlds largest oil user. Attacking Afghanistan was the path of least resistance because that is where Osama bin laden was and Afghanistan was also the centre for the terrorist organisation which carried out 9/11. Admittedly the large majority of the terrorists came from Saudi Arabia, but America is 'allies' with them.

[denis123]

Originally posted by hobbes@24 July 2003 - 08:01


How stupid are you people? He did not do this and he pursued Afganistan, that is the reason why I laud him. Are you people really as stupid as you appear?

Have to leave you to decide that Hobbes. There's no point insulting people, certainly does't make discussion any more easy. Although in my situation I tend to believe you!

Well he did eventually get to New York. If he had arrived the very same day, he would have really reached the hearts of the people. In such a time as 9.11 it really would have been the best place in the world to be, certainly in these days of advanced electronics.

[hobbes]

Sorry, edited my post several times, thought I had the time.

Let me reflect on your responses.

[hobbes]

I have reflected, and I stand 100% behind what I have said. The point was about non-action over a knee-jerk response.

The fact that most were Saudi would indicate that the response should have been toward that country. A more reflective look, changes the target to Afganistan. After all, Osama was discovered, not the admitted commitor. He denied being responsible, right? Had he called Bush, you might even have a point, but he didn't.


Does anyone think that he avoided NYC personally, or was he waiting for approval. Seriously, don't waste my time with bullshit specualtion.

[denis123]

Originally posted by hobbes@24 July 2003 - 08:25
bullshit specualtion.

I refer you to my earlier post.

[ilw]

It was never going to be a knee jerk response though was it, no matter how bad a president. Military campaigns take a lot of planning and setting up (unless all u want to do is drop nukes which isn't an option these days unless nukes have first been used against u), It took a month to build up forces to attack a tiny underpopulated and almost 3rd world country like Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia is much larger, much richer and much more advanced and has an effective army and air force. Even if Bush had wanted to do the knee jerk thing, (and it wouldn't surprise me) it wouldn't have happened because the process would have taken months to plan and the situation would have changed.
Also didn't it take a while to identify the hijackers and find out where they were from whereas they realised very early on that it was Al Qaeda which they knew was well supported by the Taleban.