How To Get To Heaven When You Die

[FatBob]

according to frodo and bible these sins are kinda inherited . . that is really lame

[FatBob]

According to Genesis, God accepted their apology only partially and an eternal punishment was meted out to them, prescribed as follows:

To the woman he said, ‘I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband and he will rule over you.’ To Adam he said, ‘Because you listened to your wife and ate from the tree about which I commanded you, ‘You must not eat of it,’ ‘Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat of it all the days of your life. It will produce thorns and thistles for you, and you will eat the plants of the field. By sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground, since from it were you taken; for dust you are and to dust you will return.’ (Genesis 3:16–19)

[FatBob]

If Jesus Christ atoned for the sins of the sinful human beings, was the punishment prescribed for the Sin abolished after the Crucifixion? Did those who believed in Jesus Christ as the ‘Son of God’, if they were women, cease to have painful childbirth? Did the believing men start earning their livelihood without exerting manual labour? Did the propensity to sin cease to pass on to the future generations and innocent children started being given birth to? If the answer to all of these questions were to be ‘yes,’ then of course there would be some justification in seriously contemplating the Christian philosophy of Sin and Atonement.But Alas, the answer to all these questions are no, no and no. If nothing seems to have changed since the Crucifixion, both in the Christian and non-Christian worlds, then what would be the meaning of Atonement?


but frodo , you version of sin and atonement doesnt make any sense

[xfrodobagginsx]

The are forgiven, but their bodies are still under the curse of sin. When Christ returns to the earth, the curse on their physical bodies will be lifted and they will be given new bodies that will last forever. I am going by what the bible says. Christians have two natures warring one with another, unsaved folks only have 1 nature. That's why Christians still sin until they die, yet they desire not to sin and to be perfect and to do what God wants.


Ro 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? {the body...: or, this body of death} I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

[limpdickkid]

I think the question I should've asked frodo is:

Why does God need a son? Isnt God immortal? A King only needs a son if he's going to perish, so his son can carry on his name, otherwise the son would be a hindrance.
Also if Jesus was God's son wouldn't people argue that the things he preached were easy for him to do because he was god's son, and they would be difficult for normal humans to follow. Things like forgive someone for cutting off your arm, show him love and that will change him. Its easy for god to forgive because he's all merciful and benevolent, but thats not human nature.

Edit: forgot to say. whats up with this flesh of sin and all that? I dont get it one bit.

lol...love the tags. xenu vs jesus. rofl. who comes up with this stuff!!!

[FatBob]

Edit: forgot to say. whats up with this flesh of sin and all that? I dont get it one bit.

welcome to the club mate

lol...love the tags. xenu vs jesus. rofl. who comes up with this stuff!!!

[chalice]

Frodo, Jeebus came to me last night in a dream.

He said, 'you are the chalice of god'.

I said, 'Well, obviousment, is that all you came here to tell me'?

'Non', he said (for God is French, bummer, I know), I want you to tell that Frodo Baggins to stfu, asap, anon, immediately like'.

Frodo, stfu by divine intervention for the love of Christ.

And so it was written.

Amen.

[Biggles]

Frodo, Jeebus came to me last night in a dream.

He said, 'you are the chalice of god'.

I said, 'Well, obviousment, is that all you came here to tell me'?

'Non', he said (for God is French, bummer, I know), I want you to tell that Frodo Baggins to stfu, asap, anon, immediately like'.

Frodo, stfu by divine intervention for the love of Christ.

And so it was written.

Amen.

Golden trumpets perchance?

I like a nice golden trumpet.

[manker]

Frodo, Jeebus came to me last night in a dream.

He said, 'you are the chalice of god'.

I said, 'Well, obviousment, is that all you came here to tell me'?

'Non', he said (for God is French, bummer, I know), I want you to tell that Frodo Baggins to stfu, asap, anon, immediately like'.

Frodo, stfu by divine intervention for the love of Christ.

And so it was written.

Amen.

Golden trumpets perchance?

I like a nice golden trumpet.

Is that like a golden shower, except with a flatulence bonus.

[Biggles]

Golden trumpets perchance?

I like a nice golden trumpet.

Is that like a golden shower, except with a flatulence bonus.

Now you come to mention it