Why is everyone against traders?

[Polarbear]

People take the "level" of trackers way too literally, and it really gets ridiculous, to the point of threads in the invite sections where the OP says something like "I have level 4, I need any level 5" wtf is this?!

These "levels" have given trackers some kind of (fake) value, and people think they're in the stock market in here, signing up on "lower levels", buffering them so they gain some value, then trade for the next level and repeat the process... it's sad really.

People forget that these are communities. You can find almost every file everywhere, so why are people trading to get these "high level" trackers? just so they can put a new nice little user bar in their sig, and feel above others (again, just sad).

They don't care for the community (and that's obvious, since they will be using the account of another person, which is extremely bizarre if you're interested in participating in a community), and they continue the stock market game breaking trackers' rules.

Invites are meant to be given for free, to someone you trust and consider will be an asset to the community where you're already a member. Traders just don't care about that, they think about invites and accounts as pokemon cards, to collect and feel special.. they compromise the security of trackers.

(oh, and for those who say that every non-trader is against trading because they don't have anything to trade, or they traded in the past and now don't have the need to trade, or trade with another account... well, I will just say that that is a very pathetic way of justifying what you do)

Remember: these are communities. make friends, participate in the forums/irc, follow trackers' rules and you will never have to trade for anything.

good post, kaffeine.


that's the reason why account trader never post in the tracker forum.

if you want to judge a good user on a tracker, look at how many forum posts he made there and not how high his buffer is.

same thing goes for cheater btw.


those users get invites to elite trackers, but not the trader.

[barry6521]

i have some ivites for the new guys but im not sure where to post them?

[fOrUmAs]

i have some ivites for the new guys but im not sure where to post them?

in BitTorrent invite section look up

[Cheeseman1208]

People take the "level" of trackers way too literally, and it really gets ridiculous, to the point of threads in the invite sections where the OP says something like "I have level 4, I need any level 5" wtf is this?!

These "levels" have given trackers some kind of (fake) value, and people think they're in the stock market in here, signing up on "lower levels", buffering them so they gain some value, then trade for the next level and repeat the process... it's sad really.

People forget that these are communities. You can find almost every file everywhere, so why are people trading to get these "high level" trackers? just so they can put a new nice little user bar in their sig, and feel above others (again, just sad).

They don't care for the community (and that's obvious, since they will be using the account of another person, which is extremely bizarre if you're interested in participating in a community), and they continue the stock market game breaking trackers' rules.

Invites are meant to be given for free, to someone you trust and consider will be an asset to the community where you're already a member. Traders just don't care about that, they think about invites and accounts as pokemon cards, to collect and feel special.. they compromise the security of trackers.

(oh, and for those who say that every non-trader is against trading because they don't have anything to trade, or they traded in the past and now don't have the need to trade, or trade with another account... well, I will just say that that is a very pathetic way of justifying what you do)

Remember: these are communities. make friends, participate in the forums/irc, follow trackers' rules and you will never have to trade for anything.

good post, kaffeine.


that's the reason why account trader never post in the tracker forum.

if you want to judge a good user on a tracker, look at how many forum posts he made there and not how high his buffer is.

same thing goes for cheater btw.


those users get invites to elite trackers, but not the trader.

I agree, kaffeine hit the nail on the head.

Great post

[SiNa]

traders just don't care about that, they think about invites and accounts as pokemon cards, to collect and feel special.. they compromise the security of trackers.

why do you and everybody else think that all the traders are like that? i have traded but i dont collect the stuff that i dont need. the people you are reffering to does that. doesnt mean if you're trader then you just want to climb the latter now does it?
The main difference is the way you get your trackers

[kaffeine]

traders just don't care about that, they think about invites and accounts as pokemon cards, to collect and feel special.. they compromise the security of trackers.

why do you and everybody else think that all the traders are like that? i have traded but i dont collect the stuff that i dont need. the people you are reffering to does that. doesnt mean if you're trader then you just want to climb the latter now does it?
The main difference is the way you get your trackers

As with everything, there are some exceptions, and every generalization is inaccurate, and I apologize for that.

But I ask you this: why trade invites, or even worst, accounts to get access to a tracker? why break the rules and compromise the security of a place you care for so much (or so many say)? why the lack of patience and the need for immediate satisfaction?

The way you get your trackers makes a huge difference.

Many are not trying to climb the latter (i don't like this term, because is directly related to those "levels" again, but anyways..) and many are not collecting trackers.. ok, but then why not try to be part of the communities you're already a member of, why not make some friends there, make people see that you're trustworthy and respectful or trackers' rules, and then every invite, no matter how "high level" it is, will come to you. Not because you're making a nice offer, but because you deserve it and a good friend of yours trusts in you.

Think of it as a group of friends, where you want to join. You first become friends with one of those who is in that other group you want to join, and then he introduces you to his group of friends, because he likes you and he trust you. That's how it is supposed to work imo.

[wheeloftime]

There are traders who collect trackers like pokemon cards, I have seen traders claiming they have 7 FTN accounts, but these are in the minority. The majority of traders are trading to get hard-to-get trackers for there own use.

There is absolutely no reason to believe these people are any less active on these trackers than someone who got the invite from a friend.

As for the security issue, if trading didn't happen I am sure the RIAA are capable of coming here and making friends. Their staff are presumably experts on filesharing so could come here and impress with there input.
They would probably target those with high level tracker userbars and post in their threads. With the money they have they could afford some pretty fast seedboxes which after a while they share with there friends.
Doesn't that sound the sort of person you would share one of your invites with, someone who has let you use their seedbox and asked for nothing in return?
To believe the RIAA or any other agencies are only capable of getting invites to these sites because of a bunch of kids trading invites isn't realistic.

[SiNa]

why do you and everybody else think that all the traders are like that? i have traded but i dont collect the stuff that i dont need. the people you are reffering to does that. doesnt mean if you're trader then you just want to climb the latter now does it?
The main difference is the way you get your trackers

As with everything, there are some exceptions, and every generalization is inaccurate, and I apologize for that.

But I ask you this: why trade invites, or even worst, accounts to get access to a tracker? why break the rules and compromise the security of a place you care for so much (or so many say)? why the need for immediate satisfaction?

The way you get your trackers makes a huge difference.

Many are not trying to climb the latter (i don't like this term, because is directly related to those "levels" again, but anyways..) and many are not collecting trackers.. ok, but then why not try to be part of the communities you're already a member of, why not make some friends there, make people see that you're trustworthy and respectful or trackers' rules, and then every invite, no matter how "high level" it is, will come to you. Not because you're making a nice offer, but because you deserve it and a good friend of yours trusts in you.

actually i think many are like me, they keep the things they need

well in order to gain trust a huge amount of time is required. i just needed the trackers fast, couldnt wait so i traded. i dont see this in a bad way as long as you re like me
also i dont think i'm causing damage to the tracker just because they dont allow trading. just a normal user like others

now you ask why not make friends inside the tracker?
it doesnt matter where you get your friends! you can make friends here or anywhere else.

look at first i didnt want to get into the trouble of making a good friend AND then gain his trust, becuase as i said, it takes (took) time. and when you start like that by trading from the beginning then you may keep on doing it because you're used to it, even though you got a friend that trusts you. But that doesnt mean that i dont accept free invites and that i trade every time

[KFlint]

i don't have anything against trading if it's the only way to gain access to some rare trackers

but i really don't like the idea of trading only for the sake of collecting many accounts of the same trackers, i don't understand this at all, i mean, get a life!

compulsive trading is wrong IMO

[0Ri0N]

if you want to judge a good user on a tracker, look at how many forum posts he made there and not how high his buffer is.

Is this a statement?
I disagree, not everyone have time to participate in forums. The majoraty forum threads from trackers are pure spam and not everybody is interested in participate in threads like "rate this ass", "do you hit it?", "ban the user above u" and so on... A massive participation does not means a quality participation.

If you want judge a good user you should combine several factors: Tracker behavior (h&r, time sharing, fill requests...), interesting threads participation, IRC participation, Donations...

the guys who make their way to elite trackers through forums and IRC are most of them ass kissers...