Why is everyone against traders?

[virtus134]

(Note this started out as a rant in one of the invite threads but I really have to know)

I'm confused. Here's what I have so far:

Apparently, trading disqualifies you from a lot of giveaways automatically, lowers your chances of getting a good tracker invite, and AUTOMATICALLY MAKES YOU A HOMOSEXUAL DOUCHE BAG WHO DESERVES TO DIE. That's the message I'm receiving here. "Trading" invites is looked down on, and those who do can usually count on not being chosen for a lot of giveaways.

But why?

A lot of traders make as good as (sometimes even better) contributions / giveaways to this forum as nontraders. It's not as if all traders do is trade. I've seen traders with much higher giveaway points than a lot of nontraders, and I'm hoping to make good giveaways in the future myself (despite the fact that I'm a trader.)

Most of the people who bitch and moan about trading invites in threads are people with many posts, but little or no giveaway points. So they have many posts because: They just like to talk, they have something to say, OR they are posting because they want to participate in a giveaway. But they have few/no rep points.. so they haven't given anything away themselves. How is being someone who takes and never gives better than someone who takes, gives, and trades? And most of the time when their posts are "You should give this away for free!", meaning that they want the invite but just don't have what the trader wants in return, hence the freeness.

A lot (not all) of the "give-awayers" here give only low level invites. They never give anything higher than a 3 (sometimes 4) but they still get the rep point. I really doubt they care about the community, only building up their rep and getting good invites in return.

I've had some people flame me, refuse to consider me for giveaways, change their minds about giving me something because I'm a trader. But to other people who aren't traders but haven't done anything besides beg for invites, give them the same invites that were refused to me.

So if I'm going to become a "second class citizen" just because I traded and I'm never going to be respected / participate in really good giveaways, I'm not even going to try and bother to do anything good here. I'm just going to trade, get what I need, and log out.

Yes, sure I exaggerated some details, I know the majority of the nontraders are great contributors and traders still quality for most of the giveaways, and that only a few people here are leechers, and that a lot of people don't even want BT rep. But every time I see a post complaining about trading it makes me wonder.

Long post. Thanks for reading.

[Submission]

People with nothing to trade are anti-traders.

People with something to trade are traders.

Then there are the generous who dont give a shit.

[fOrUmAs]

ufff its to long to read that , i dont have any problem if someone is trader and im not against them,but most trader will if they recive invite trader that acc for some better,and that is the reasone why people hate trader i think,and if they do that 70% are chance that inviter and invited be banned from site

[AkaiDoresu]

I can get what i want, i am a trader and I make a lot of giveaways as well.

Not everything is just black or white, there is a lot in between so being a trader doesnt mean nothing and ive noticed anti-trader attitude comes from noobs that always struggled to get an invite form fair, equivalent trade. They rather want to get it for free, and hmm, I act here exactly as I do it in my real life. Im a stock broker, i know how to trade, deal with people and i never expect that something will be given to me. If you think differently than good luck.

[raj3186]

Trading invites isn't as bad as trading accounts cuz if you trade accounts, chances are more that the account will be disabled in the future and also, most of the ppl who complain that their acc's got disabled for no reason actually get caught trading their accounts

[psxcite]

We are here to share files, ideas and basically give freely of ourselves. Trading is not giving something free BUT asking for something in return. From a old school member of the warez community, this is frowned upon.

Share - don't sell or trade or expect anything in return. If everyone lived their lives in such a way, the world would be a better place. Hell, we wouldn't have ratios on sites if it not for the few individuals who take advantage of other's kindness.

In addition, sites frown on trading or even giving invites to strangers. How do you think so many invites end up for sale on Ebay? It's not from you giving your buddy from college an invite to BMTV. It's from a trade you made with a stranger so you could get what YOU wanted. With no concern for the security of the site.

[virtus134]

psxcite-

It's great you feel that way.

But, most everyone here follows something like "Don't be a trader, make some giveaways, get GET GOOD INVITES IN RETURN"

Sounds a lot like trading to me. People are still giving, but they expect something in return. If this "unwritten law" wasn't here, then most everyone here would be trading and would post a few giveaways every now and then.

I think I'll "give away" my hdbits invite to a user, and he might "give away" his revtt invite, and I'll just happen to get it.

[sear]

(Note this started out as a rant in one of the invite threads but I really have to know)

I'm confused. Here's what I have so far:

Apparently, trading disqualifies you from a lot of giveaways automatically, lowers your chances of getting a good tracker invite, and AUTOMATICALLY MAKES YOU A HOMOSEXUAL DOUCHE BAG WHO DESERVES TO DIE. That's the message I'm receiving here. "Trading" invites is looked down on, and those who do can usually count on not being chosen for a lot of giveaways.

But why?

You're giving homosexual douche bags a bad name here mate ...seriously though it's looked down upon because it's a disrespectful thing to do if a tracker doesn't want you in then just deal with it people put in a lot of hard work to make trackers run smoothly and they don't like it when people piss all over that.

Also it increases the chance that a cheater or general dickwad invite seller is going to be invited to a site because lets face it if you have no respect for the no trading rule who's to say you'll respect other rules? I'm not saying all traders are cheaters far from it but when you do something out of greed (ie: trade) you're much less likely to vet the person who is taking your place.

A lot of traders make as good as (sometimes even better) contributions / giveaways to this forum as nontraders. It's not as if all traders do is trade. I've seen traders with much higher giveaway points than a lot of nontraders, and I'm hoping to make good giveaways in the future myself (despite the fact that I'm a trader.)

Most of the people who bitch and moan about trading invites in threads are people with many posts, but little or no giveaway points. So they have many posts because: They just like to talk, they have something to say, OR they are posting because they want to participate in a giveaway. But they have few/no rep points.. so they haven't given anything away themselves. How is being someone who takes and never gives better than someone who takes, gives, and trades? And most of the time when their posts are "You should give this away for free!", meaning that they want the invite but just don't have what the trader wants in return, hence the freeness.

Bullshit...first off they're not giveaway points they are rep points. which means they in practice have little to do with giveaways and much more to do with whether you're a "trusted trader" or not. Many people who are against trading turn off their rep points because they don't want to be associated with that kind of shit.

Also wtf do you know about what people do for this forum?

What have you done for this community?

I know that many invites are given out here in private to friends or people you think will make a good member by both traders and anti-traders I personally have given away and received invites to many sites from people I've met here so stop talking shit.

A lot (not all) of the "give-awayers" here give only low level invites. They never give anything higher than a 3 (sometimes 4) but they still get the rep point. I really doubt they care about the community, only building up their rep and getting good invites in return.

what can I say except fuck levels and who cares...if the site is helping someone because they want to use it and not just think of it as a stepping stone then that's what counts.

I've had some people flame me, refuse to consider me for giveaways, change their minds about giving me something because I'm a trader. But to other people who aren't traders but haven't done anything besides beg for invites, give them the same invites that were refused to me.

because you can't be trusted not to trade the invite or account

So if I'm going to become a "second class citizen" just because I traded and I'm never going to be respected / participate in really good giveaways, I'm not even going to try and bother to do anything good here. I'm just going to trade, get what I need, and log out.

you're attitude betrays your true intentions m8...

Yes, sure I exaggerated some details, I know the majority of the nontraders are great contributors and traders still quality for most of the giveaways, and that only a few people here are leechers, and that a lot of people don't even want BT rep. But every time I see a post complaining about trading it makes me wonder.

Long post. Thanks for reading.

you got that right at least

[Dr_Green_Thumb]

MAKES YOU A HOMOSEXUAL DOUCHE BAG WHO DESERVES TO DIE.

^ This and

Traders are more than likely responsible for the take down of OiNK. Some trader probably traded with an agent giving them access to the site to gather information.

[CowboyDave]

It's fairly obvious why even non staff have problems. Traders don't just risk their own accounts but their inviter's too and on some sites whole invite tree's. Also they hoard trackers they don't actually want just for trading purposes and cause sites to be even stricter with invites. If you want to honestly get into that tracker without breaking there rules upon entry you guys make it that much tougher.