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    here are some references
    [mainly for Neil__ (when i wrote that i'd like to see more references, i was meaning that quotes should be referenced, rather than every statement anyone makes. if you use other peoples words you should attribute them i think) i hope this helps Neil__]
    anyway here are some quotes on the topic i broached;
    Originally posted by www.curtin.edu.au/learn/unit/art/v36/v36_topic4.html+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (http://www.curtin.edu.au/learn/unit/...36_topic4.html)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Aboriginal art is the world&#39;s oldest continuous living art tradition and it is the rock art of Central Australia which is the oldest, and predates European presence by more than 40,000 years. Many of the formal aspects of Aboriginal culture were associated with ceremonies and rituals rather than monuments and building as in other cultures. Rock art is the one tangible aspect of Aboriginal culture which has endured. ‘In innumerable galleries across the continent, pictorial records survive, often in spectacular graphic form. Few Australians are aware that their homeland contains examples of rock art which span the time periods five times greater than that covered by Egypt&#39;s pyramids.’ (Walsh 1988: 13)
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    Originally posted by www.upfromaustralia.com/50yearofcavp.html+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (www.upfromaustralia.com/50yearofcavp.html)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Aborigines would probably not get IS9002 accreditation in documentation, as we had never put anything down in writing. Simple reason was that we never invented writing for our language(s), but we loved to DRAW to preserve our thoughts and culture. Our 50,000 year old rock art painting, along with oration of legends by tribal leaders passed though generation(s), are responsible in keeping knowledge and traditions alive

    Some really sacred Rock Art are not for viewing Some rock paintings are of the really special spiritual significance, bearing the strongest psychological and ritual values. Some rock paintings are really,really sacred, and unfortunately not open to tourist eyes…and even to most aborigines except for certain “initiated” elders who have proven their worth as custodians. Sorry mate, there are certain art galleries that are not for entrance and sale at any price…

    Aboriginal rock art is recognised as the world&#39;s oldest and longest continuous living tradition. The ancient art is found all across Australia in the form of paintings or engravings on rock.

    How old is Aboriginal Rock Art? Archaelogists continue to argue over their age, but some of the earliest paintings, in red ochre in northern sandstone shelters, have been dated at 50,000 years. In 1996 in the Kimberley region of Western Australia, an engraving site was dated at 110,000 years old, sending archaelogists back to the drawing board and rewriting the history of modern human movement.[/b]

    Originally posted by http://www.theage.com.au/articles/20...825394030.html
    NSW Premier Bob Carr said. . .
    "This reminds us 4000 years ago, when you had civilisation flourishing in Mesopotamia, when you had the power of Egypt, before China was united, while Stonehenge was being built, we had Aboriginal people in these lands, on the outskirts of the Sydney basin," he said.
    . . .
    "If someone in Italy said they had just found a new Etruscan tomb, that would date back to 700BC. This find is 2000BC. If someone excavating in Athens discovered the ancient foundations of a classical building, this is 1500 years before that.

    "It is eerie, exciting, this contact with a very old Australia, with the Aboriginal people who have been expressing their spiritual views in this remote rock shelter deep in the wilderness for so long,"
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    Archaeological research by a joint University of Wollongong and Australian Museum team suggests that Australia may have been first occupied by people before 100,000 years ago. The research, which has received extensive media coverage in the last few months, also provides a date of around 60,000 years ago for a form of rock art known as cupule engraving. This has long been recognised to be the oldest surviving form of rock art in Australia, but has not previously been found in a datable context. [/quote]
    <!--QuoteBegin-www.aboriginalartonline.com/art/rockage.html

    There is, however, indirect evidence going back a lot further, leading some archaeologists to argue that the rock art galleries in northern Australia are probably the oldest in the world. This is, of course, a contentious area, with recent claims for dates in southern France and northern Italy going back as far as 35 000 years.

    Archaeologist Sue O&#39;Connor at the Australian National University has found a buried fragment of rock painting preserved in the limestone rock-shelter of Carpenter&#39;s Gap in the Kimberley (near Windjana Gorge National Park) in a layer dated to 40 000 years old
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    that is about as much research as i can be bothered with at the moment [fascinating though it is]

    this line of thought also supports what Rat Faced wrote about &#39;nature religions&#39; too

    @illuminati :: the library at alexandria was burned by christians as far as i know because it held so much pagan knowledge, what a bunch of xenophobic c#nts&#33; i think the monotheists have been a terrible scourge on the earth

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    Thanks echidna.

    Interesting.

    Neil

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    Originally posted by echidna@24 July 2003 - 16:26
    @illuminati :: the library at alexandria was burned by christians as far as i know because it held so much pagan knowledge, what a bunch of xenophobic c#nts&#33; i think the monotheists have been a terrible scourge on the earth
    Others suggest that the library was stored in grain depositaries and was burnt when Julius Caesar destroyed the fleet of Cleopatra&#39;s brother. It seems that multi-theists have also had their &#39;moments&#39;.
    You can&#39;t blame atheists like that (and before anyone starts, Hitler, Stalin etc may have been atheists, but they didn&#39;t do their misdeeds in the name of atheism).
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    Political correctness is based on the principle that it's possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

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    I would hazard a guess that whichever belief system the people followed with the Venus of Willendorf figurine (24,000-22,000 BC) is likely the oldest that we know about.

    The Library of Alexandria (one of the Seven Wonders of the Ancient World) was destroyed by fire. http://www.bede.org.uk/library.htm examines a few of those theories.

    things are quiet until hitler decides he'd like to invade russia
    so, he does
    the russians are like "OMG WTF D00DZ, STOP TKING"
    and the germans are still like "omg ph34r n00bz"
    the russians fall back, all the way to moscow
    and then they all begin h4xing, which brings on the russian winter
    the germans are like "wtf, h4x"
    -- WW2 for the l33t

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    Originally posted by hypoluxa3k@24 July 2003 - 03:08
    i always thought Islam was the oldest
    why am i not suprised

    i&#39;m sure it was a very old religion where humans believed in some higher being.

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    Originally posted by kAb@24 July 2003 - 20:11
    i&#39;m sure it was a very old religion where humans believed in some higher being.
    Don&#39;t ALL religions believe in some higher being?

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    Originally posted by slammy_dunken+24 July 2003 - 18:13--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (slammy_dunken @ 24 July 2003 - 18:13)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-kAb@24 July 2003 - 20:11
    i&#39;m sure it was a very old religion where humans believed in some higher being.
    Don&#39;t ALL religions believe in some higher being? [/b][/quote]
    yeah.... i&#39;m suggesting that it started out very simply...

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    Most early religions are polytheistic, so it&#39;d be higher beings.

    things are quiet until hitler decides he'd like to invade russia
    so, he does
    the russians are like "OMG WTF D00DZ, STOP TKING"
    and the germans are still like "omg ph34r n00bz"
    the russians fall back, all the way to moscow
    and then they all begin h4xing, which brings on the russian winter
    the germans are like "wtf, h4x"
    -- WW2 for the l33t

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    the deities [for want of a better word] in many of the oldest religions are more like supernatural ancestors of the people whose religion it is and aspects of the environments in which they live
    rather than higher beings which are apart and different to the people

    there is a definite sense of connection and lineage between the venerated &#39;beings&#39; and the people venerating
    as opposed to the distinct separateness of more familiar ideas of &#39;god&#39; like yahweh/allah where god is still seen as origin but is separate and different to the people

    [a lot of discussion about very old religions talk in terms like animism which although giving a valuable impression of the religions fails to encompass the complexities and nuance of these super old beliefs]

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    Just wanted to add my 2 cents. I am sure the intention of the topic was just to gain some knowledge. But normally, people inclined to their &#39;religions&#39; tend to make knowingly or unknowingly some biased judgements. It is for our own self to realize when we make it.
    Secondly, as someone did mention it before a religion being old doesnt prove anything as far as the purity or the religion or the truth of the religion is concerned. Originally all of them had the kindest intention and changed later to rules to be followed by many. And unfortunately, people point fingers at each other saying &#39;mine is the true one&#39; etc.

    Best to my knowledge the confirmed oldest religion is Hinduism(is not polytheistic which some might think) and yes Vedas are much older than old testaments as already pointed out.

    Discussions like these can never reach a proper result unless all are unbiased. And somehow once in a while when we are struck by topics like these we do tend to get biased.

    If you really want to know which is the oldest one try a search on google and check the sources to clarify. Use your own judgement and sense to understand.

    Just some of my thoughts...
    <span style='color:black'> I am a part of all that I have met - Lord Tennyson</span>
    <span style='color:blue'>Try not to let your mind wander...it is too small and fragile to be out by itself</span>

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