Sceners Threaten to Destroy BitTorrent, "One Step at a Time"

[Raja]

the scene wouldnt bother with these things
they know its a useless battle
especially since they cant do anything to sites like Piratebay where most of the people get their stuff from
its just a bunch of people who want attention

[MultiForce]

I'm sure they're mark everything with "All rights reserved" and will sue everyone for pirating just like RIAA and MPAA

[tyman]

since this is kinda teamed up with stmusic...is that the same owner

[wabbitslayer]

I guess I just don't "get it"....so assuming BT is killed-stone-cold-dead, (and then presumbably usenet), and the RIAA/MPAA/ISPs all rejoice...the "scene" is going to do what? Send each other messages on IRC telling each other what hot-shit hackers they are???

[Wizard_Mon1]

since this is kinda teamed up with stmusic...is that the same owner

They are different people, and i'm pretty sure one has far better security measures in place than the other.

In answer to the threat title...

The issue here is not the death of bittorrent, its far to well established, its never gonna happen. The MPAA/RIAA shut down TorrentIt, it never returned, more recently they shut down Oink and Demonoid two other big losses both haven't and sadly i don't see them coming back. However they tried numberous times to shut don't link sites like pirate bay and isohunt without any lasting success and that has given the bittorrent community strength to the point which they know that when sites like oink go down 100 other music trackers spring up.

Not everyone in the scene will have the same ethos about how an when to share digital information, some will be more hard line, fearing the p2p world could reveal the map to thier scene paradise, others could care less and think that releasing media to the general public is part of the process of realigning political policies on digital media - which interestingly has started to happen http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology.../copyrightlaws.

These hackers who would seem to have personal grudges against these two BT site owners have not in any shape or form effected Bittorrent as these sites are still operational as far as i'm aware. What they have done in this instance is caused either major or minor annoyance in terms of personal security using dirty tactics. I don't know what the long term effect of this will be as of yet maybe people will have to hang up thier gloves, maybe they will put on bigger gloves and come back fighting. Either way there will always be more people downloading from or supporting BT sites because of what they do, provide people with more choice about how much the capatalist machine is incharge of their lives. Bringing about changes like this.. http://www.canada.com/topics/technol...8cea906&k=6130.

[iNSOMNiA]

[The Flying Cow]

It's pretty obvious this was not done by sceners. They are usually a bit more occupied than idling away with this bollocks. (Real sceners, not minor peons).

And frankly, they have a point. P2p brings much more publicity to the scene, and they are not the culprits for people setting up their own mini-markets using scene-gotten materials.

While p2p won't directly kill the scene, it is spreading it's goods out to the world, and these are at times put in the hands of fools who are unaware of the secrecy/keeping it quiet element. Many of us actually download to boast to others in the real world. Such attitudes are childish and probably at the root of this p2p-hatred.

TBH, I don't consider shut private trackers to be p2p. It is closed, controlled, file sharing. Scene-style. The differences being many, however, like speed (stros are most certainly faster and will usually have more stuff available - good stros I mean, as well as dumps).

And no, closing down BT sites is not the solution. Some "solutions" do work, such as ops that shut down groups (e.g. BHP (most prolific DVDR group in many years) and place their members in prison. But this will only make these characters martyr-like figures, and further entice youths down the paths of free downloading.

[lightshow]

I don't consider shut private trackers to be p2p. It is closed, controlled, file sharing. Scene-style.

Closed, meaning has monthly public signups available via mouse click when user registration is under xxxx.

Scene-style since they cap the registration at xxx so they can show the advertisers how many people are looking at page xxx which has their ad per day.

Just because you got in early when the numbers were low doesn't make it Scene-style. It just makes it more luck of the draw.

Private trackers are p2p. why? because they don't produce originals (besides a vhs-rip of some movie or a 2bros movie rip, not a VLK keygenerator for the most used OS in the world)

[mbucari1]

[quote=lightshow;2768950]

Private trackers are p2p. why? because they don't produce originals (besides a vhs-rip of some movie or a 2bros movie rip, not a VLK keygenerator for the most used OS in the world)

Actually, private trackers are p2p because peers upload and download from each other (p2p = peer to peer). The content being transfered has no bearing on the definition.