Ten most corrupt politicians in the U.S.

[j2k4]

Apparently you aren't too familiar with Judicial Watch.

They go after everybody.

In any case, the section of your post I've emboldened interests me, as it indicates you are more admiring of a successful effort to obscure facts than you are curious about why the effort is being made to begin with.

Does the fact that this tactic is and has been the modus operandi of the Clintons for all "35 years" (to use Hillary's description) of her/their "public service" bother you at all?

Do you ever wonder about how one thousand dollars magically becomes one hundred thousand?

Ever been curious about Vince Foster's untimely demise, or the shroud the Clintons threw over it?

How about all of the PRK and Chinese money which flowed into Clinton/democrat coffers?

Ever see the pictures of Hillary confidante Susan Thomases and actress Markie Post jumping up-and-down on the "Lincoln" bed in the Clinton White House?

Are you at all curious about Sandy Berger's theft of top secret documents from the National Archive?

I assume you can grasp the distinct possibility that she might be trying to hide some of these (to use your term) "direct links" to criminal behaviors?

All this (and much, much more), but you can't find it in yourself to denounce Hillary, even though she was broad-ass-deep in the whole mess.

I am gratified to hear, nonetheless, that you won't vote for her...

1. I have no quarrel with Judicial Watch. I Captainobviously see Repubs and Dems in there and even mentioned Rudy. I like the info since for me to vote for someone I don't need proof. Nice try.

I said the stuff wasn't proof and it isn't. Period.

2. I never rule out voting for anyone.

3. I have denounced her. I said I don't trust her just like Evey did but yet you single me out cuz I said the stuff wasn't proof or I don't cheerlead and don't make huge efforts to show neutrality. Nice try.

I know the "where there's smoke there's fire" bit. However, I think "where there's smoke there's most likely fire" since smoke isn't proof.

Perhaps you can read a bit better since there was no indication of admiration. You are either spinning or you're a liar.

Either way it sucks.

Okay, let's boil this down to basics:

As a practical matter, somewhere there exists proof of Barry Bonds having taken steroids; this we know.

That he hasn't been adjudicated guilty of same doesn't mean he didn't do it.

You, given your ingrained urge to call me a spinner/liar, willfully fail to acknowledge the fact, as well as that the Clinton's stonewalling might be in aid of some malfeasance which might enrage even you, were the truth ever to come to light.

I've said this before:

Telling the truth is NOT the same thing as making sure no one can prove that you've lied.

Apparently, though, it's all the same to you.

On the other hand, your aversion to agreeing with me makes you post some awfully funny stuff.

[hippychick]

Thanks j2k4 that was some good reading, I fwd that on to some friends of mine.

I have never registered to vote until this year. In the past I have never liked a candidate and felt my vote wouldn't count (after the NH voter fraud I sort of still feel that way LOL)
This year I'm voting for Ron Paul, not for the rep party but for the man himself.
He is the only candidate thats a strict constitutionals and wants to end the war in Iran and bring our troops home, too stop funding other countries and use our money to help stop inflation and use gold to back the dollar so its worth something again. He is who I trust.

This is how I feel about the other rep running.
Mccain a snake
Thompson an actor
Romny flip flop king
Huckabee support dog killers and raises taxes
Guliiani mobster and wife cheater

As for Hillary, I would never vote for her, even if she is a women
I don't trust her at all and she scares the hell out of me with how cold and unfeeling she is, she would be like a dictator and run the US into the ground.
We already had Bush, Clinton, Bush, Bush dynasty do we need another Clinton ...thats like 30 years of the same family's running the US.

For a Dem the only other ones I would consider are Edwards and Kuchinich because they want to end the war now. But I don't like social health care so they would have to do something about that lol

But if it boils down to anyone but Paul on the rep side and anyone but the two listed above on the dem side...I'm voting independent, then at least I voted and I won't feel it was my fault the US is more hated then it is and we go into another depression.

That just how I feel and no offense intended to anyone, now I will get off my soap box

[Busyman™]

1. I have no quarrel with Judicial Watch. I Captainobviously see Repubs and Dems in there and even mentioned Rudy. I like the info since for me to vote for someone I don't need proof. Nice try.

I said the stuff wasn't proof and it isn't. Period.

2. I never rule out voting for anyone.

3. I have denounced her. I said I don't trust her just like Evey did but yet you single me out cuz I said the stuff wasn't proof or I don't cheerlead and don't make huge efforts to show neutrality. Nice try.

I know the "where there's smoke there's fire" bit. However, I think "where there's smoke there's most likely fire" since smoke isn't proof.

Perhaps you can read a bit better since there was no indication of admiration. You are either spinning or you're a liar.

Either way it sucks.

Okay, let's boil this down to basics:

As a practical matter, somewhere there exists proof of Barry Bonds having taken steroids; this we know.

That he hasn't been adjudicated guilty of same doesn't mean he didn't do it.

You, given your ingrained urge to call me a spinner/liar, willfully fail to acknowledge the fact, as well as that the Clinton's stonewalling might be in aid of some malfeasance which might enrage even you, were the truth ever to come to light.

I've said this before:

Telling the truth is NOT the same thing as making sure no one can prove that you've lied.

Apparently, though, it's all the same to you.

On the other hand, your aversion to agreeing with me makes you post some awfully funny stuff.

I think Barry Bonds took steroids. Somewhere there may be proof that he took steroids. You know jack shit.

I don't know he took steroids.

Just because he hasn't been exonerated in the public's eyes doesn't he did do it.

You are a spinner/liar because you make up shit.

People with your path of logic (or lack of) start going down the idiot road of asterisks, cuz you figure shit. We have congress involved in sports instead wayyyy more important shit like, ya know, stuff that actually has to do wiz running ze countree.

As I said before, I don't need proof to believe what I believe. If I think Clinton is shit, whether she's proven guilty of whatever or not, I don't have to vote for her. It doesn't mean she goes to jail though.

I know it's hard for you to understand how that's not the same but try.

As I said before, the site is a good read and also an eye-opener.

[j2k4]

I think Barry Bonds took steroids. Somewhere there may be proof that he took steroids. You know jack shit.

Indeed I do; would you like an introduction.

I don't know he took steroids.

What makes you think he did then?

If you have made up your mind, what more do you need?

I'm not talking about asterisks and I never have; I've only said what I think, most of which I'll go so far as to say I know, because my thinking/knowing anything at all does not constitute a judicial process, and I'm smart enough to know that, too, even though you are not.

Just because he hasn't been exonerated in the public's eyes doesn't he did do it.

I'm sorry, I don't know what that means.

You are a spinner/liar because you make up shit.

What have I made up, and, by the way, prove it.

As I said before, the site is a good read and also an eye-opener.

Well, thanks for that, anyway.

[j2k4]

Thanks j2k4 that was some good reading, I fwd that on to some friends of mine.

I have never registered to vote until this year. In the past I have never liked a candidate and felt my vote wouldn't count (after the NH voter fraud I sort of still feel that way LOL)
This year I'm voting for Ron Paul, not for the rep party but for the man himself.
He is the only candidate thats a strict constitutionals and wants to end the war in Iran and bring our troops home, too stop funding other countries and use our money to help stop inflation and use gold to back the dollar so its worth something again. He is who I trust.

This is how I feel about the other rep running.
Mccain a snake
Thompson an actor
Romny flip flop king
Huckabee support dog killers and raises taxes
Guliiani mobster and wife cheater

As for Hillary, I would never vote for her, even if she is a women
I don't trust her at all and she scares the hell out of me with how cold and unfeeling she is, she would be like a dictator and run the US into the ground.
We already had Bush, Clinton, Bush, Bush dynasty do we need another Clinton ...thats like 30 years of the same family's running the US.

For a Dem the only other ones I would consider are Edwards and Kuchinich because they want to end the war now. But I don't like social health care so they would have to do something about that lol

But if it boils down to anyone but Paul on the rep side and anyone but the two listed above on the dem side...I'm voting independent, then at least I voted and I won't feel it was my fault the US is more hated then it is and we go into another depression.

That just how I feel and no offense intended to anyone, now I will get off my soap box

Just so you don't lose it, and remember to get back on it and vent when the mood strikes you.

[Busyman™]

Indeed I do; would you like an introduction.

No. You don't know he took it. Period. You figure he did. You think he did.

I don't know he took steroids.

What makes you think he did then?

His increase in HRs coupled with the rampant use in baseball.

If you have made up your mind, what more do you need?

Videotape would be nice.

I'm not talking about asterisks and I never have; I've only said what I think, most of which I'll go so far as to say I know, because my thinking/knowing anything at all does not constitute a judicial process, and I'm smart enough to know that, too, even though you are not.

Mmk I know that there's the possibility he did not do it. I can think the 9/11 plane that crashed in PA was shot down but I don't know that it happened.

Just because he hasn't been exonerated in the public's eyes doesn't mean he did do it.

I'm sorry, I don't know what that means.

My bags, see the bold.

You are a spinner/liar because you make up shit.

What have I made up, and, by the way, prove it.

Well for one, that I admired Clinton for obscuring facts. Done.

As I said before, the site is a good read and also an eye-opener.

Well, thanks for that, anyway.

Yeah it's not first time I've heard of them but you get a cookie and all a dat.

I remember hearing stuff about them around the Bill Clinton era.

I'm sure that's what stoked your fire.

[shot2hell]

is there a politician that isn\'t corrupt? doesn\'t matter republican or democrat, it\'s either the right or left hand which will f&#k you

[j2k4]

is there a politician that isn\'t corrupt? doesn\'t matter republican or democrat, it\'s either the right or left hand which will f&#k you

While I have said many times here that Republican politicians are (as a rule) low-rent scoundrels of ill-repute, the fact of the matter is the Democrat version is even worse; so, you see, your discrimination is important.

BTW-

While I've voted in lots of polls/elections, I can't recall being f&#ked by hand.

I have been stroked on occasion, however.

[Biggles]

I was expecting a list like

Mugabe
General Shwe
Karimov

and the like

the list provided are just amateurs

[j2k4]

I was expecting a list like

Mugabe
General Shwe
Karimov

and the like

the list provided are just amateurs

I don't believe we've ever had anyone like Mugabi, Shwe or Karimov on our roster, Les.

You must admit, though - for amateurs, ours aren't too good/bad.