This Will Give Ya Chills For Sure

[thewizeard]

First I can't change what has happened.

However, there is a basic practice which is suitable for everyone bacause it is so simple. Being simple, it is deep and beneficial; benificial because its simplicity means there will be few mistakes. We begin with loving-kindness, working at the level of our present understanding and with our present conception of the world, by trying to imagine the nicest, purest form of happiness we know. This will vary from person to person but it does not matter we just think of the very best thing and as soon as we have formed it in the imagination we share it with all beings, praying that they may have this happiness equally. Not to think of ourselves but just about others, wishing them this relative happiness we think so nice. this is the first step. It makes little sense in the ultimate but it is, on our level, a start.

The next step is to call to mind any friend or acquaintence who is happier or better off than we are and just try to be happy for them. appreciate their achievement. Think of friends first because it is easier. Then do the same, but for someone who is not so close to us. When we can do this we move on to someone who is not very kind to us and try to appreciate, pray for, their happiness. Then progress to someone who is really cruel to us, who really hates us and finally to someone that we really hate. If they hate us, it is minor; if we hate them it is major because our hatred makes things very hard -there are many strong feelings to overcome

You see that my solution requires a change in the way we think. We need to work on ourselves.

[MagicNakor]

If you don't understand that manipulation is taking place, I'm never going to be able to convince you.

Strange how the government of North Korea has been labelled a "terrorist state," yet I'm seeing large efforts to get multilateral talks started again. This is a rather interesting list I found (compiled from the CIA Factbook and the Library of Congress Country Study):

Nation States Sponsoring, Sheltering, Financing, Supporting Terrorist Networks

Syria
Iran

Reduced Threat

Afghanistan
Iraq

States providing or allowing finance, shelter, manpower, training, equipment and other support

Cuba
Indonesia
North Korea
Soviet Union and Russia (I'm not sure why they use Soviet Union, other than it's easier to write out than all the bloody satellite nations that formed after its collapse)
Saudi Arabia

States where government policies* have allowed terrorists freedom to operate

Canada
France
Germany
Japan
United Kingdom
United States

*Government policies that allow terrorists freedom to operate are found in countries with liberal immigration policies that are spinning out of control, countries with organized crime influences that bring in terrorist financial operations and countries where tolerance, affirmative action and multiculturalism are deemed politically correct, are preached excessively and have overwhelmed common sense and national interests.

Indeed, I was getting ready for work and saw it live on TV. I actually woke up to it, because New York is a few time zones ahead of me.

If you support every decision the United States government has made, that's your modus opernadi. Understand that a large number of people do not.

[lynx]

Originally posted by sampson@1 August 2003 - 09:53
first off, when i posted that link, i didnt expect this kind of response and thats why there isnt any text.  secondly, i dont know how you can say that the us govt. has manipulated the situation, or that the filmmaker was trying to manipulate my emotions.  the US has always said that it will not negotiate with terrorists and that any terrorist act will be considered an act of war.  they have pecked at and annoyed us and smaller countries for years.(its like a kid in school(sadaam) picking on someone until they finally do something to really piss them off and the other kid(usa) turns around and knocks the shit out of em)  as for manipulating my emotions, were you getting ready for work and saw this live on tv?  was it your country and country men/women that were under attack?  i think not.  my emotions ran deep.  I SAW RED that morning!  there was no time for the govt or any filmmaker to decide my emotions for me.  i support EVERY decision the us govt has made in this campaign, i support EVERY troop of EVERY country thats fighting to ride the world of this crazy fuck, and i support my president. GO BUSH!  i have a million other opinions on the subject, but i guess we'll go one at a time.

PLEASE DONT CLOSE THIS POST. WE'RE NOT FLAMING, WE'RE VENTING

I really think you need to read the filmmaker's 'background' information, you will see that he IS actually trying to manipulate your emotions.

You should take a step back and try to separate your (understandable) revulsion of what happened that day from this sort of diatribe against everything that isn't american.

It really does no good to call anyone who try's to promote a different point of view a coward. Are you going to call all the millions of people who demonstrated against the Vietnam war cowards? Because that's what happened then, and the same thing is happening now. If we don't agree with your viewpoint then we should keep our mouths shut? Nice to see such support of your principles of free speech.

You need to see that this sort of article actually reduces your democratic ideals rather than enhancing them.

[hobbes]

Originally posted by barbarossa+1 August 2003 - 10:18--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (barbarossa @ 1 August 2003 - 10:18)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-DarkBlizzard@1 August 2003 - 00:53
New Yorkers who had there parents or children or friends die arent going to forgive anyone. How about one of you speak to a group full of 100 of the people who lost love ones in 9-11....they will beat your ass. If people wanna talk about it, then let them!

Funny, that sounds alot like the attitude of a fanatical terrorist...![/b][/quote]


Yes waiter, I'd like one order of "flaming platitude", please!

[thewizeard]

Originally posted by hobbes@1 August 2003 - 04:06



After all, didn&#39;t the Christian God kill everyone on the planet for their transgressions (Noahs&#39; ark).&nbsp; If God is not a good role-model, the who is?&nbsp; Thanks to God for showing us how to deal with "bad people".

- DUTIES TOWARDS GOD -

(1) You shall have no other gods before me.

(2) You shall not make for yourself any carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love me and keep my commandments.

(3) You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes his name in vain.

(4) Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labour and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

- DUTIES TOWARDS OUR NEIGHBOUR -

(5) Honour your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.

(6) YOU SHALL NOT MURDER

(7) You shall not commit adultery.

(8) You shall not steal.

(9) You shall not bear false witness against your neighbour.

(10) You shall not covet your neighbour&#39;s house, you shall not covet your neighbour&#39;s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbour&#39;s."
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I am not a Christian Hobbes. I have read the bible though. According to the bible God did not kill everyone on this planet. Later he gave Moses the ten commandments to live by. You are conveniently forgetting one of these commandments6) Possible infringment of the third.


If you break one of His commandments then you break them all.

If you are going to use God as your role model then you should at least be accurate.

[TheDave]

2) You shall not make for yourself any carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love me and keep my commandments.

jesus&#33;&#33; gods a bit of a miserable git sometimes. neway g2g before i miss the train to hell

[hobbes]

Originally posted by nigel123+1 August 2003 - 16:14--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (nigel123 &#064; 1 August 2003 - 16:14)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-hobbes@1 August 2003 - 04:06



After all, didn&#39;t the Christian God kill everyone on the planet for their transgressions (Noahs&#39; ark). If God is not a good role-model, the who is? Thanks to God for showing us how to deal with "bad people".

- DUTIES TOWARDS GOD -

(1) You shall have no other gods before me.

(2) You shall not make for yourself any carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love me and keep my commandments.

(3) You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes his name in vain.

(4) Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labour and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

- DUTIES TOWARDS OUR NEIGHBOUR -

(5) Honour your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.

(6) YOU SHALL NOT MURDER

(7) You shall not commit adultery.

(8) You shall not steal.

(9) You shall not bear false witness against your neighbour.

(10) You shall not covet your neighbour&#39;s house, you shall not covet your neighbour&#39;s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbour&#39;s."
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I am not a Christian Hobbes. I have read the bible though. According to the bible God did not kill everyone on this planet. Later he gave Moses the ten commandments to live by. You are conveniently forgetting one of these commandments6) Possible infringment of the third.


If you break one of His commandments then you break them all.

If you are going to use God as your role model then you should at least be accurate.[/b][/quote]
Notice that the last paragraph was offset from the main body. It was a meant to be read "tongue in cheek". Not literally. The last 2 sentences were those of a child, done purposefully to contrast it with my typical style.

I am agnostic, not Christian, so I neither know nor follow the 10 Commandments. I was just saying in an offhand manner that if killing is the solution chosen by a God many follow, then it should be good enough for little &#39;ole me.

So he tells us not to kill, yet he does it. I prefer leaders who guide by example and not leaders who guide by, "do what I say, not what I do".

It was my understanding that every single human died during the great flood, except for the 5 on board. Is this wrong? Even if the Earth contained only 10,000 people, that is 99.99% of the population exterminated.

The flood wasn&#39;t some sort of snap decision either, it took over 100 years to build the ark, this was a clear case of premeditated murder.

[thewizeard]

So you were not impressed with my meditation on loving kindness?

[hobbes]

Originally posted by nigel123@1 August 2003 - 22:41


So you were not impressed with my meditation on loving kindness?

I think the philosophy is fine.

[Rat Faced]

The flood wasn&#39;t some sort of snap decision either, it took over 100 years to build the ark, this was a clear case of premeditated murder.&nbsp;

Really?

Then even if Noah&#39;s missus was 40 when she had the kids, they would have been 60 before they had a chance to propagate?

That assuming old man Noah started building the ark before she was born....


THATS a miracle in itself