This Will Give Ya Chills For Sure

[thewizeard]

Originally posted by Lamsey@1 August 2003 - 00:50
just defiant and unbuckled, and united in the face of tragedy. As we all should be.

We should be and we were.

Lamsey, it is almost two years since that tragedy. Must the flames of these sad emotions be constantly whipped up like an out of control forest fire in a gale force wind? I think these flames should be extinguished with the water of forgiveness.

(So to speak)

[DarkBlizzard]

New Yorkers who had there parents or children or friends die arent going to forgive anyone. How about one of you speak to a group full of 100 of the people who lost love ones in 9-11....they will beat your ass. If people wanna talk about it, then let them!

[hobbes]

Originally posted by nigel123+1 August 2003 - 01:50--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (nigel123 &#064; 1 August 2003 - 01:50)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Lamsey@1 August 2003 - 00:50
just defiant and unbuckled, and united in the face of tragedy. As we all should be.

We should be and we were.

Lamsey, it is almost two years since that tragedy. Must the flames of these sad emotions be constantly whipped up like an out of control forest fire in a gale force wind? I think these flames should be extinguished with the water of forgiveness.

(So to speak) [/b][/quote]
Nigel,

When some kicks down your door and kills your wife and children, then come and talk to us.

2 years later, would you embrace the murders and talk about love and forgiveness? Would you take umbrage at someone who said, "Nigel, it has been 2 years, get over it and move on&#33;".

Some scars stay forever.

[Keikan]

Someone jumped out from like 45 floors high?

[thewizeard]

Originally posted by hobbes@1 August 2003 - 02:29

Why do I feel that there is a sign saying, "You are here" over my head.

I am not quite sure what you mean by that.

I have just replied to Lamsey, and I feel that the inititial outrage should have subsided a little by now. Please don&#39;t feel personally attacked.
If I had not felt your opinions or feelings had any substance, I would just have ignored them..

[thewizeard]

We all lost something very special on that day. Yes the scars will remain. But nothing will bring them back.
I have also lost some very special people in my life. So I do know how it feels. It hurts.

[hobbes]

Originally posted by nigel123@1 August 2003 - 02:19
We all lost something very special on that day. Yes the scars will remain. But nothing will bring them back.
I have also lost some very special people in my life. So I do know how it feels. It hurts.

Nothing can bring them back, but if I can kill those that did it, I will pursue that option, if only, that others don&#39;t have to go through the same.

We have all lost someone special, but if we can prevent someone else from suffering the same by elimatining the source, we are obliged.

Forgiving Bin Laden is pointless, as he has no regret, and would do it again.

You must not only crush the guilty, but set an example for those that would follow in his footsteps. Sometimes you must be hard.

[thewizeard]

Then you should first make a list of all these terrorist people, their families, offspring, all their friends and their offspring, because that&#39;s how far you will have to go to eliminate them all. They too will have revenge burning in their hearts. Where is the end? Why not just destroy all mankind in one go. You will be bound to get the relatively few guilty ones then.

Is this really the answer to our problems? I mean, you see revenge just won&#39;t work?

Edit. I am going to leave this topic now, I have read all the posts, and taken notice off your feelings. I wish I could have convinced you, that the way to peace and harmony will bear more fruit than the road you are following. No doubt we will cross each others paths in some other topic.

Take care

[hobbes]

Originally posted by nigel123@1 August 2003 - 02:52
Then you should first make a list of all these terrorist people, their families, offspring, all their friends and their offspring, because that&#39;s how far you will have to go to eliminate them all. They too will have revenge burning in their hearts. Where is the end? Why not just destroy all mankind in one go. You will be bound to get the relatively few guilty ones then.

Is this really the answer to our problems? I mean, you see revenge just won&#39;t work?

Bin Laden will attack us again, unless killed. No amount of forgiveness will change this.

So, if someone killed your wife, you would forgive them, as the vengence of the offspring would just perpetuate the violence and nullify your temporay justice, by punishing the violator.

Why do we punish crimes then? The remaining offspring will just execute justice, right?

You must not only kill the perpetrators, but those who directly or indirectly allowed him to act.

Goodwill toward man is the luxury of the blessed.


After all, didn&#39;t the Christian God kill everyone on the planet for their transgressions (Noahs&#39; ark). If God is not a good role-model, the who is? Thanks to God for showing us how to deal with "bad people".

[myfiles3000]

Originally posted by Lamsey@31 July 2003 - 23:50
If you want to hear a truely great response to the events of Sept. 11, listen to the lyrics of Bon Jovi&#39;s Undivided:

That was my brother lost in the rubble
That was my sister lost in the crush
That was our mothers, those were our children
That was our fathers, that was each one of us
A million prayers to God above
A million tears make an ocean of

Chorus:
One for love
One for truth
One for me
One for you

I found spirit, they couldn&#39;t ruin it
I found courage in the smoke and dust
I found faith in the songs you silenced
Deep down it&#39;s ringing out in each of us
Yeah... yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

Chorus:
One for love
One for truth
One for me
One for you
Where we once were divided
Now we stand united
We stand as one... undivided.

How many hands? How many hearts?
How many dreams been torn apart?
Enough, enough... the time has come to rise back as

Chorus:
One for love
One for truth
One for me
One for you
Where we once were divided
Now we stand united
We stand as one... undivided.

Undivided.
Undivided.

One for love
One for truth
One for me
One for you
Where we once were divided
Now we stand united
We stand as one... undivided.

Not overly sentimental, not overly confrontational, just defiant and unbuckled, and united in the face of tragedy. As we all should be.

sorry lamsey, but this is a collection of BS statements that mean nothing when you break them down. aka propoganda.