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    Quote Originally Posted by Biggles View Post
    I don't believe Snee's position is that they were backward or ill informed either but that their reaction to US intervention was one of a people who had become accustomed to an insular view of foreign intervention. They subsequently embraced an aspect of politics that was popular at the time - Empire.

    One might view the US role as liberating or one might consider it an ongoing process of securing influence in the region (or indeed a bit of both).
    I think you'll find if you go and look that history shows they were expansionist (Empire builders) before their enforced isolation. So they couldn't possibly have embraced a political aspect that they had been living by for centuries before their isolation. Their Empirical ambitions had nothing to do with western influence, they merely returned to their militaristic expansionist ways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biggles View Post
    Not Billy then?
    As far as I can tell, no, but I could be wrong

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    Quote Originally Posted by manicgeek View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Biggles View Post
    I don't believe Snee's position is that they were backward or ill informed either but that their reaction to US intervention was one of a people who had become accustomed to an insular view of foreign intervention. They subsequently embraced an aspect of politics that was popular at the time - Empire.

    One might view the US role as liberating or one might consider it an ongoing process of securing influence in the region (or indeed a bit of both).

    I think you'll find if you go and look that history shows they were expansionist (Empire builders) before their enforced isolation. So they couldn't possibly have embraced a political aspect that they had been living by for centuries before their isolation. Their Empirical ambitions had nothing to do with western influence, they merely returned to their militaristic expansionist ways.
    As I remember it Japan had very little territorial activity outwith its own borders apart a couple of advetures in Korea. In comparison to most countries it did not engage in a lot of conquest. It was quite often at war with itself though and numerous dynasties and war lords ruled the country. The self imposed seclusion was maybe a bit odd but it was the antithesis of European and US expansion. The US naval blockade and resultant treaty that opened the country was a source of considerable anger and (importantly) shame in Japan. That opening up Japan to trade might have been a good thing did not negate the dishonour felt by a forced treaty. If we are to look at Japanese history and culture seriously we must consider the cultural impact of the US actions as well as the purely economic. The follow on from opening Japan up was a Government that was much more outward looking and obsessed with military power. In this respect the US set off a chain of events that ultimately resulted in Pearl Harbour - although to be fair there was no way that this could have been predicted at the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Les
    As I remember it Japan had very little territorial activity outwith its own borders apart a couple of advetures in Korea.
    Tell the truth now, Les. How old are you.
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    I dunno, but Methuselah was his fag at school, apparently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Les
    As I remember it Japan had very little territorial activity outwith its own borders apart a couple of advetures in Korea.
    Tell the truth now, Les. How old are you.

    A bit + some

    doesn't make you a bad person like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by manker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Les
    As I remember it Japan had very little territorial activity outwith its own borders apart a couple of advetures in Korea.
    Tell the truth now, Les. How old are you.
    Les = Hero.

    He's actually only 23 but has flitted thro' space and time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr JP Fugley View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by manker View Post
    Tell the truth now, Les. How old are you.
    Les = Hero.

    He's actually only 23 but has flitted thro' space and time.
    It takes its toll but
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    Quote Originally Posted by Biggles View Post
    As I remember it Japan had very little territorial activity outwith its own borders apart a couple of advetures in Korea.
    China, India... in fact their 'little territorial activity outwith its own borders' was only after the Koreans refused to become tributary to Japan and join them in their war against China.

    Oh and that war was about making parts of China tributary to Japan as well...

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    Quote Originally Posted by manicgeek View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Biggles View Post
    As I remember it Japan had very little territorial activity outwith its own borders apart a couple of advetures in Korea.
    China, India... in fact their 'little territorial activity outwith its own borders' was only after the Koreans refused to become tributary to Japan and join them in their war against China.

    Oh and that war was about making parts of China tributary to Japan as well...
    Which period?
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