Someone pls explain why

[manicgeek]

Which period?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanes...281592-1598%29

They were expansionist before isolation.

[Biggles]

That was the war I spoke of.

As far as I am aware that was the limit of Japanese external aggression prior to the late 19th century. They were attacked a couple of times by the Mongols but saw off the invasions. Other than that very little. Compared to the expansionism of the European countries and later the US, the Japanese do not figure on the international scene at all.

In 1692 they might have spoke of conquering Korea, China and India but the fact is they lost in Korea in 1698 and returned home for 250 years. As expansionist countries go they were not big players.

[manicgeek]

That was the war I spoke of.

As far as I am aware that was the limit of Japanese external aggression prior to the late 19th century. They were attacked a couple of times by the Mongols but saw off the invasions. Other than that very little. Compared to the expansionism of the European countries and later the US, the Japanese do not figure on the international scene at all.

In 1692 they might have spoke of conquering Korea, China and India but the fact is they lost in Korea in 1698 and returned home for 250 years. As expansionist countries go they were not big players.

They had expansionist ambitions before their self-imposed isolation. That war was actually three wars with Korea and one with China, all committed to make themselves top of the tree in Asiatic thinking... basically to become the Asian empire leaders. Their expansionist ambitions existed before the isolation and they probably hated being thought of as the Junior nation for the entire time of their isolation, which is the reasonable explanation for their wars with China and the Russians immediately their self-imposed isolation ended. They picked up where they left off.

What's very interesting about this whole discussion is that Snee and many have failed to mention that it was western influence that caused them to become isolationist. No we've been blamed for forcing ourselves upon them and for causing all of the conflict that they have been involved in since isolation ended, yet the entire reason for their isolation was because of us... or more accurately because they feared we were planning to take over their country, and so they isolated themselves.

[Biggles]

That was the war I spoke of.

As far as I am aware that was the limit of Japanese external aggression prior to the late 19th century. They were attacked a couple of times by the Mongols but saw off the invasions. Other than that very little. Compared to the expansionism of the European countries and later the US, the Japanese do not figure on the international scene at all.

In 1692 they might have spoke of conquering Korea, China and India but the fact is they lost in Korea in 1698 and returned home for 250 years. As expansionist countries go they were not big players.

They had expansionist ambitions before their self-imposed isolation. That war was actually three wars with Korea and one with China, all committed to make themselves top of the tree in Asiatic thinking... basically to become the Asian empire leaders. Their expansionist ambitions existed before the isolation and they probably hated being thought of as the Junior nation for the entire time of their isolation, which is the reasonable explanation for their wars with China and the Russians immediately their self-imposed isolation ended. They picked up where they left off.

What's very interesting about this whole discussion is that Snee and many have failed to mention that it was western influence that caused them to become isolationist. No we've been blamed for forcing ourselves upon them and for causing all of the conflict that they have been involved in since isolation ended, yet the entire reason for their isolation was because of us... or more accurately because they feared we were planning to take over their country, and so they isolated themselves.

There is a fair degree of supposition there. Yes they had ambitions in 1692 but there is little in the 1000 years before then that would suggest they were an Empire in waiting and post 1698 they went into 200+ years of seclusion. Britain, France Spain, Holland etc were constantly at war with somebody or other and looking to take control of somebody else's bit of turf. Yes they were nervous about our intentions but then surely that was with good reason? European nations were quite big on Empire and had a fair track record of taking countries over. If Japan had looked an easy proposition one or other of the European powers probably would have annexed it.

[manicgeek]

There is a fair degree of supposition there. Yes they had ambitions in 1692 but there is little in the 1000 years before then that would suggest they were an Empire in waiting and post 1698 they went into 200+ years of seclusion. Britain, France Spain, Holland etc were constantly at war with somebody or other and looking to take control of somebody else's bit of turf. Yes they were nervous about our intentions but then surely that was with good reason? European nations were quite big on Empire and had a fair track record of taking countries over. If Japan had looked an easy proposition one or other of the European powers probably would have annexed it.

Really where ?

You're comparing chalk and cheese with your comparison of Japan with European nations. Their mindset is totally different to any European nations peoples. Your idea of Empire is based upon the European model of conquering a nation and ruling over it, that's not how Asian Empires worked, the Chinese didn't rule over Korea, yet Korea was part of the Empire of Heaven. The facts are that in the Asian mindset of that era China was the Big Brother, Korea was the Middle Brother and Japan was the Little Brother, and the Japanese didn't like that, they wanted to supplant China and become the Big Brother, they wanted to be the head of the Empire. That's what the wars were about. So where's the supposition ?

[Biggles]

Their expansionist ambitions existed before the isolation and they probably hated being thought of as the Junior nation for the entire time of their isolation

I took that to be supposition unless you are aware of texts and writings to the contrary.

Regardless of difference in concepts of Empire that does not alter the fact that the Japanese were wary of European intentions with good reason. Most of the Far East ended up under one European Empire or another and generally the local population was not happy about it.

[Squeamous]

I don't believe Snee's position is that they were backward or ill informed either but that their reaction to US intervention was one of a people who had become accustomed to an insular view of foreign intervention. They subsequently embraced an aspect of politics that was popular at the time - Empire.

One might view the US role as liberating or one might consider it an ongoing process of securing influence in the region (or indeed a bit of both).

It's quite sweet that you want to defend him, but that's a fucked up perception! His position was that the Japanese have been badgered throughout the last few hundred years by foreign intervention against their wishes to the point where they felt they had no choice but to attack Pearl Harbour .

[Squeamous]

There was a donkey too OMG!

Those sick bastards!

[SpatulaGeekGirl]

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[Something Else]

txhx..dam i can typ wel wih my left hand.