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Thread: The truth about America's "health-care crisis"...

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    ...the part you'll never hear from the media or the liberal politicians?

    Prepare to be relieved of your ignorance.

    http://www.freemarketcure.com/uninsuredinamerica.php
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    Hmm.. In the video, the narrator talks about how hospitals must treat ER patients that show up on their doorsteps, but it doesn't mention that clinics are only required required to stabilize patients in imminent danger.

    So if you show up after a car accident, they are legally obligated to resuscitate you and raise your condition from critical to stabilized, but once you can walk again, you're out the door.

    If you need physical therapy? Too bad. It's not life threatening. If you have cancer? That's a long term illness.

    They do have a point saying that some people just don't buy insurance even though they can afford it, but many of these arguments are lack-luster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cwm9 View Post
    Hmm.. In the video, the narrator talks about how hospitals must treat ER patients that show up on their doorsteps, but it doesn't mention that clinics are only required required to stabilize patients in imminent danger.
    Clinics (per se) are neither intended nor equipped for "emergencies" (ER patients).

    It seems you have misapprehended; clinics are to be utilized for non-emergent/preventive treatments, so as to minimize costs.

    Do you go to the emergency room for a common cold?

    Flu?

    A rash, perhaps?

    If so, you are misusing health care.

    In short, clinics are not hospitals, hospitals are not clinics.

    Quote Originally Posted by cwm9 View Post
    So if you show up after a car accident, they are legally obligated to resuscitate you and raise your condition from critical to stabilized, but once you can walk again, you're out the door.
    Again, it is not clear whether you refer to clinics or hospitals...in any case, I'm sure you would agree that, after the car accident in question, to be resuscitated and stabilized to the extent you can walk again is preferable to, say, death.

    Quote Originally Posted by cwm9 View Post
    If you need physical therapy? Too bad. It's not life threatening. If you have cancer? That's a long term illness.
    What's not life-threatening?

    Cancer treatment?

    You're leaping about here, but there is treatment available for indigents in both cases you mention.

    Quote Originally Posted by cwm9 View Post
    They do have a point saying that some people just don't buy insurance even though they can afford it, but many of these arguments are lack-luster.
    Now I'm confused.

    Who has the point, who is making what arguments, and what has "luster" (or it's lack) got to do with anything at all?
    “Think about how stupid the average person is, and then realize that half of 'em are stupider than that.” -George Carlin

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    Quote Originally Posted by j2k4 View Post
    ...the part you'll never hear from the media or the liberal politicians?

    Prepare to be relieved of your ignorance.

    http://www.freemarketcure.com/uninsuredinamerica.php
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    what's the point of getting the only shitty plan I could afford, if I fell into crisis I would go bankrupt trying to pay for the deductibles and co-pays alone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yoga View Post
    what's the point of getting the only shitty plan I could afford, if I fell into crisis I would go bankrupt trying to pay for the deductibles and co-pays alone.
    Bullshit.

    Any medical facility will work with you to get your deductibles and co-pays taken care of without bankrupting you.

    So you go to the doctor/hospital and come away with a bill for a thousand or two?

    Maybe you forget clubbing for six months, or eating out for a while.

    Ftw, even a burger-flipper can do that.

    You might consider spending some effort questioning the third-party payment system that makes care as expensive as it is, but that would require a bit of the same sort of effort required to pay off a deductible.
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    I think its a crime that you have to pay for health care period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smith View Post
    I think its a crime that you have to pay for health care period.

    I agree with smith

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smith View Post
    I think its a crime that you have to pay for health care period.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smith View Post
    I think its a crime that you have to pay for health care period.

    I agree with smith
    Why is it a crime?

    We all need occasional dashes to the doc to stay healthy, eh?

    We all need to eat, too, and much more often than occasionally.

    We all need housing.

    Should these things be free as well?

    And if everything should be free, why not your labor?

    After all, if the things which sustain us should be provided at no cost, what would you need money for?

    You see where I'm going with this.
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