Public Giveaway's, Trading Invites

**Sanka113** · 04-05-2008, 12:48 PM

Originally Posted by stoi

Originally Posted by Sanka113

I completely agree in that i think it's no big deal to give away lower level often open sign up trackers. Even if they aren't open sign up they flood you with so many invites that its impossible to get rid of them all.

Now, with upper level trackers I don't always know what people that I know are good FST'ers need. I use giveaways to find out want my friends and other good FST need.

Most people understand that with a higher level invite they gotta do all they can to make sure they invite a higher level user. For the most part for upper level giveaways alot of members do a good job looking for good users and not giving them away blindly.

Higher level doesnt mean its a better tracker than a lower level one.

this is what pisses me off, ah well that tracker has 50,000 members, doesnt matter if they get any more scum in, i can invite who i like and even those i dont like, But.. this tracker only has 1,000 members i better be really picky and choosy who i invite to this tracker.

Higher level just means they want more security, not that they dont want noobs in, they probably would welcome the odd noob now and again tbh.

the lvls are shit and give the wrong impression completely about what tracker staff of those trackers want. the lvl 9 trackers are not trying to be elitist, and only ever get member`s that have been in the torrenting scene for years in (christ someone thats been torrenting for a day, can know just as much if not more than someone thats been torrenting for 5 years, its not rocket science). they just want security (wehter thats right or wrong is up to them).

Other trackers want to make a huge community, loads of seeds/peers and snatches on the torrents (as thats what filesharing is all about, to share) but also have good members in that lot, they have got the 300,000 noobs in in a year and taught them how to do it, or chucked them out if they didnt listen, but they want just as good members as those that are lvl 9.

I agree that a lower level tracker isn't truly "better" than a higher level one. I was just pointing out that in loosely given invites out, their members go and do the same. Like you said they do this to keep having new people to join in on the filesharing fun, and they do that by being open sign up or by giving members tons of invites out to give.

Since those invites are so plentiful you see more of these types of invites given more freely than say a level 5 invite. These low level giveaways unfortunately create the stigma that ALL giveaways are just as loose, and thats not always true.

**Polarbear** · 04-05-2008, 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by Blistered

Why would you want to lose access to something you waited so long to get into?

ask that question people in the invite section who break tracker rules on a daily basis.

account dealers get banned all the time. in fact they like it. then they have a new challenge to sneak back in.

lonely little boys at home - hardcore torrent gangsta account traders that nobody can catch (they think) here.

all a bunch of teenage wannabes with no social life who adopted images from american gangster movies and know sexuality from watching porn.

**mrnobody** · 04-05-2008, 12:56 PM

With trading you don't have much option for whom to trade with. However, with giveaway u have plenty of options. In trade, you are inclined to trade with ABC because he is the only one who is offering you the tracker you are looking for. Again, in giveaway, that is not the case. You can add up rules to your giveaway and filter out bunch of bad apples...and probably have a good user as ur winner.

So what I am trying to say is, there can be a big difference between public giveaway and trading invites...it all depends on inviter. But most of the time giveaway are random...and in that case there isn't much difference between public giveaway and trading invites.

**stoi** · 04-05-2008, 12:58 PM

Ive already done this post somewhere, but it probably got lost.

In a perfect world this is how invites should work.

btw for this, lets scrap those stupid lvls.

you join a private tracker thats open signup.

someone spots you doing a good job, wether thats just uploading/ratio/community whatever.

they PM and ask if you would like to join another tracker, they then send you an invite.

you do well there, and you also go back to your first tracker and find someone there for your invite to your new tracker.

your inviter sees you are doing good, and that your invitee is doing good, so invites you to another tracker (obviously the inviter has someone above him as well doing the same as him)

and it works like that all the way along the line.

but you still go back to the very first tracker you joined, and keep inviting those to the 2nd tracker you joined and so it goes on.

think of it like a pyramid scheme, but without the hastles and the cash involved.

the problem now with the above is.

Forums like FST, you could get into a good tracker at your first request, and you may never get anyone into other trackers from that tracker, just use FST all the time.

or you just forget your routes, and let your old account on your first tracker die, which breaks the chain.

imo there should be no invites giving away on public forums full stop, it should all be done within the trackers.

**Swift** · 04-05-2008, 01:07 PM

got to agree with stoi with how invites should be handed out... hand by hand not to be seld or traded or something else ppl do @ forums

**Polarbear** · 04-05-2008, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by stoi

Ive already done this post somewhere, but it probably got lost.

In a perfect world this is how invites should work.

btw for this, lets scrap those stupid lvls.

you join a private tracker thats open signup.

someone spots you doing a good job, wether thats just uploading/ratio/community whatever.

they PM and ask if you would like to join another tracker, they then send you an invite.

you do well there, and you also go back to your first tracker and find someone there for your invite to your new tracker.

your inviter sees you are doing good, and that your invitee is doing good, so invites you to another tracker (obviously the inviter has someone above him as well doing the same as him)

and it works like that all the way along the line.

but you still go back to the very first tracker you joined, and keep inviting those to the 2nd tracker you joined and so it goes on.

think of it like a pyramid scheme, but without the hastles and the cash involved.

the problem now with the above is.

Forums like FST, you could get into a good tracker at your first request, and you may never get anyone into other trackers from that tracker, just use FST all the time.

or you just forget your routes, and let your old account on your first tracker die, which breaks the chain.

imo there should be no invites giving away on public forums full stop, it should all be done within the trackers.

you are right, stoi. and from my experience this really works.

the only problem is, once you gotten an account via trading or in a public giveaway, you can't be active in the tracker community anymore. the constant fear of being caught and banned doesn't allow you to be a part of it. you need to stay undercover.

that's why i won't stop saying to the newcomers:

do not trade from the beginning and do not accept other people's accounts!!!

it's a vicious circle that you can't escape from.

**psychophil** · 04-05-2008, 01:19 PM

In the most part I agree with you stoi.
But I have been torrenting for about 5 years, and mainly only used large community trackers (bitsoup, ILT, Suprnova, Lokitorrent, Demonoid deceased).
That is until the last year when I became a member of FST, here I learnt alot about how trackers function and their communities.
I now understand the need for security, and in some cases secrecy.
But I know (not blowing my own trumpet) that I am a trustworthy person, who finds it difficult to understand Why other people cheat or trade.
Just to say that other people may not know me that well, so I still find it difficult obtain access to great trackers.

Hope that made sense,

I'm trying to watch the Arsenal vs Liverpool game and type at the same time.
Anyway I don't believe in trading, but giveaways to the right people is in my opinion fine.

**Something Else** · 04-05-2008, 01:22 PM

Yes, good comments, stoi. That way really can and does work I believe.

If it's not your name on the account then you are hiding and won't be free to be a part of the community.

One problem is that some trackers are run by people who trade themselves.

Someone offered me their account somewhere yesterday for some reason. They wanted nothing in return. Of course I refused.
I think most would have found that hard to do because it was supposedly desirable. LeuLinks or something.

(A direct DL site I think)

**BOOM** · 04-05-2008, 01:22 PM

I think that give aways invites is a nice way 4 some users start yours "torrent life"...but the problem is that you don`t know enough the persons who ur inviting ...

I don`t trust in all ratio proofs posted here..that`s why i just give away my invites on tracker`s forums