Land Of The Free? Imprisonment Without Trial

[j2k4]

Originally posted by Rat Faced@16 September 2003 - 10:39

The U.S.A. sucks.

Thats anti-americanism, implying the people.

It was obvious to me that he has been attacking US foreign policy, not the people in general....... although he was very inarticulate with his choice of words at one point, which detracted from his arguments in my opinion...

I'm glad you lot are posting on here, America has a reputation in the world of an arrogant, couldn't care less, what's best for the US is best for the world attitude. So much so, you still don't understand, two years later, why 911 happened.

The overall tone has been about Policy, not people.


As has been pointed out: Anti-American is a nonsense to any educated person.

Every country in the world has its mirror in the America's, the cultures are too varied there to "Generalise" that way.






Seconds out...........Round 2.

Excuse me, Rat.

I was generalizing as Billy was.

No I didn't mean to imply he was including the citizenry (at large) of the U.S. in his anti-U.S. sentiments, such as they are-merely those citizens who don't agree with his holding our government as guilty of criminal intent and action.

He assumes sane people would agree with him as a matter of course.

As to your suppositions re: anti-Americanism:

I have, on occasion and in jest, made remarks denigrating the French and their culture.

When pressed, I have made it plain my problem is with Jacques Chirac, not the people of France.

If anti-Americanism is indeed nonsensical to "any educated person", as you say, then I would posit your stance as a commentary on the intellectual limitations of some who post here.

It would not be my place (nor my way) to name names. Those who are prefer their Americans to be close-mouthed.

[j2k4]

Originally posted by Billy_Dean@16 September 2003 - 10:43


You just don't get it do you?

Tell me this ... have you ever said the reason for 911 was to do with US policy overseas? Have you ever said Osama bin Laden had political motives? Maybe you should give us your views again, just to clear things up. Better read back first tho' you wouldn't want to make any more boobs like this ....

j2k4

The U.S. has suffered the slings and arrows it has precisely because we have cared-it is my contention the process would be better served if we did not care.

j2k4

I did not mean to imply the U.S. actually cared about other countries; as we all know, this is simply not true.

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From j2k4

(and, no Billy, I'm not talking about my "I.R.A." remark, which statement you also mis-interpreted)

Also from j2k4

As to the I.R.A., while they practiced terrorism, they did not export it as has Osama; I trust you see the difference.

Well, err .. no.. I don't see the difference. A clear statement; *As to the I.R.A., while they practiced terrorism, they did not export it... * They DID export it, and, again, you're wrong.


Are we there yet?


Edit:

Clocko

Am I to assume then, that you, Billy Dean, are providing "real insight" into the mind of Australia?

I'm actually English Clocko, I live in Australia.

But I like you, so sorry if my remark upset you. Here's a nice pic of someone else who is English, and also lives in Australia.
She is much nicer than me, by all accounts.





B)

See?

All these insults unaccompanied by a scintilla of content.

I thought Osama's motivations were apparent to all; to the extent that they needn't even be mentioned.

But I assumed (fie on me) that no matter how much people hated the U.S., they would (as Rat says they must) intellectually reject Osama's "reasons" as genuine justification for crashing planes into buildings and killing 3000+ people-nevermind the economic consequences, which reverberated around the world.

[Rat Faced]

I guess Rat's suppositions about "educated people" don't wash.

You are, of course correct on this point.

You can have an Honours Degree's and still lack "Common Sense"....... In my opinion a much more worthy attribute, and also by the phrase's nature misleading, as I have never found it to be very "Common" as is my understanding of the word.


However, Im sure you know what i meant in the original statement

[j2k4]

Originally posted by Rat Faced@16 September 2003 - 14:30

I guess Rat's suppositions about "educated people" don't wash.

You are, of course correct on this point.

You can have an Honours Degree's and still lack "Common Sense"....... In my opinion a much more worthy attribute, and also by the phrase's nature misleading, as I have never found it to be very "Common" as is my understanding of the word.


However, Im sure you know what i meant in the original statement

Yes, I did.

I just chose to use it to demonstrate an exception, as the opportunity was ripe, and could not be wasted.

Good on you anyway, Rat-

[Billy_Dean]

Well, that's a good sign, you seem to be getting your sense of humour back.

I eagerly await an opinion.

[ilw]

Hoping not to get caught in the crossfire, but since we were talking about women's rights in Afghanistan I thought i'd post a link to the debate about women in Islam that the BBC did.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/s....stm#transcript
Some of it makes for quite interesting reading.

You're saying that Islam accords women these rights but do they have them in practice in a place you could point to?

Basma El Shayyal:
Unfortunately not no,

That one actually made me laugh

[Billy_Dean]

I've watched some of these programs on a BBC (?) series called Faith to Faith.

This discussion centres around women's rights according to someone's interpretation of the Koran. It was a relevant point you highlighted, the constant use of the words, in practise meaning, of course, that in the real world things are different.

I once took a friend to a little village named Azila, in the Rif Mountains in Morocco, to the annual dope harvest. Westerners camp in the fields and help bring the plants in. If that sort of thing interests you, I can recommend harvest time, September-ish. A good time is had by all. Except the local women. Observe them whilst you are there. That's the real world.


B)

[Bender]

Is this turning into another thread in which Billy_Dean and j2k4 try to slaughter each other, or are we going to stay on topic?
If not, I (or any other Mod) will be very happy to close this one too.


(Warnings sent to both.)

[hobbes]

Originally posted by Bender@17 September 2003 - 19:34
Is this turning into another thread in which Billy_Dean and j2k4 try to slaughter each other, or are we going to stay on topic?
If not, I (or any other Mod) will be very happy to close this one too.


(Warnings sent to both.)

Please stay on topic, lead by example, you lunatic locksmith.


Anyway, this thread has been derailed for a long time and I think this comet is about to burn itself out.

[j2k4]

Originally posted by Bender@17 September 2003 - 13:34
Is this turning into another thread in which Billy_Dean and j2k4 try to slaughter each other, or are we going to stay on topic?
If not, I (or any other Mod) will be very happy to close this one too.


(Warnings sent to both.)

You have my word, Bender.

It would probably be best to close it anyway, as the subject of the thread hasn't been mentioned in 7 or 8 pages, I think you'll find.

I would welcome your continued stewardship as re: the Billy/j2 contretemps.