Golan Heights

**torrentt** · 06-01-2008, 03:41 PM

Through Egypt's border with Gaza alot of means of warfare are transfered every day
and only once in a few weeks Egypt's police "discovers" some means of warfare.
Peace with egypt is a cold peace and the situation with syria is much worse, being the supporter of hizballah and best friends with Iran that just today Iran's Foreign Minister said that all muslims in the world must act for the deletion of Israel from the map. A couple of weeks ago after the talks about the Golan Heights began, Syria told Iran they want to tighten their bond with them even more. You can't have peace with a terror supporting country that did nothing to prove their willing for a truthful peace and only talk about getting closer to a country that wants to delete Israel from the map. Israel had already tried it with the Palestinians and that obviously didn't bring peace ("Gaza Pull-Out plan").

**tralalala** · 06-03-2008, 02:40 PM

Israel didn't try nothing with the Palestinians. It was a one sided pull out. Israel made no plans whatsoever with the PLO about quitting terrorism against Israel with that pullout.

Fact was, it more or less gave legitimacy to act against the Palestinians in Gaza since we weren't there anymore.

You claim there's a cold peace with Egypt. So? As long as there is an agreement that's what matters. If we could reach an agreement with Syria and the Palestinians, it would make life a hell of a lot easier for all of us (we wouldn't need to have soldiers going in and out of Gaza, wouldn't need to waste air-force time and efforts in the Gaza strip, wouldn't need to have so many soldiers on the Syrian border...). Not only this, but it would allow us to negotiate more deeply about the situation with Iran and Hizbollah, because we'd have "allies" to talk with. Egypt have been using one of their people to try and get Gilad Shalit out of Gaza. It's not working too efficiently but hey, at least there is something going on there.

Be a little open-minded. I'm not saying that if we have a peace treaty we should rush out and kiss and hug the Syrians and the Palestinians, I'm saying it would simply relieve some stress we have to much of anyways off of our backs..

**torrentt** · 06-03-2008, 03:20 PM

you need to look at the Palestinians in a clear mind. they chose hamas and hamas is a terror organization that wants all Israel, not only Gaza so they keep terrorizing.
there is a bond between hamas - hizballah - Syria - Iran and the ideology is the same.
Iran for Syria is like USA for Israel. If a country says that it will never compromise about the land for peace, it doesn't really want peace and a country who doesn't want peace won't keep it. you need to see more footages of hizballah aka Syrian/Iran terror group.

**tralalala** · 06-03-2008, 05:48 PM

I've seen plenty of footage, but you should take a look at the Egyptian case 30 years ago.. They wanted war, and they led every war against Israel (apart from the Lebanese wars obviously).
I honestly think that we should take a chance, make a peace treaty, and then, what with our nukes etc. if they decide to fight us despite the agreement, they get blown up.. Simple. It's more of a "who goes first" treaty.. Better than a "take a guess" no-treaty.

**torrentt** · 06-03-2008, 10:23 PM

Your idea is to give them the Golan Heights and then if they don't keep the agreement Israel should blow up the Golan? You can only give territory to a country you know is not producing terror and killing innocent people (hizballah (the Syrian terror group) soldier killed a friend of mine 4 years ago) and its the most stupid thing you can do to such a small country that is surrounded by enemies - to make it smaller. Don't forget the arab population is growing rapidly inside Israel and in 50 years if not nuked by Iran, there will be nothing else to do then to leave Israel due to lack of space and being the minority, having guerrilla fights inside Israel against the majority of arabs.
What Israel Should do is the close its gates for arabs and Once and for all do whats best for its interests and not its enemies. Israel should do what Russia or USA or any other self-respected nation would do, and stop giving up.

**tralalala** · 06-04-2008, 11:03 AM

Look, it's been proven time and time again that land doesn't matter anymore. Nowadays, rockets and co. can reach any spot in Israel, so it doesn't matter whether they have the Golan or not, if they want to rocket Tel Aviv, they'll do so, whether from Qazrin, or from Damascus. Fighting over territory is a waste of time and effort, if all they want is territory which was conquered by us anyways, then why not use it for a peace treaty? It's exactly what we did with Sinai, so why not do it with the Golan too?

**torrentt** · 06-04-2008, 09:34 PM

they can't attack Israel if they want or not, there is much politics involved and you know Israel can strike back too. if they bomb a big city they will get bombed X20 harder, unlike rocketing sterot

**tralalala** · 06-06-2008, 10:34 AM

Of course, so why worry about handing back land if they could attack either way?

**torrentt** · 06-07-2008, 01:46 PM

why give land to enemies? if the answer is "its their land" or "its for peace" so its not their land (maybe they got if from the French but who gave it to the French). and even if it was, there is a national law that says that if a country attack you and start a war, and you conquer some of his land, its yours 100% no argues - there are many places like this all over the world and i don't see them coming back for free to the last owners. and about the peace thing already told you....
if you want to experiment things, don't do it on a country that most people don't think the same as you, and not with radical islam