The Almighty
Once again, I'll go, for the umpteenth time, into the example about Sinai. We gave it back in exchange for peace, it worked. Whether it be cold or warm, it's there, and we don't need to worry about the Egyptian army attacking us. Why not do the same with Syria? How are they any different? Egypt were just as bad before, and they actually led all wars against Israel. Look where we are with them now.
Think of it that way.
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do what u want, there is much more to lose if you are wrong and Israel will give the Golan, then if you are right and Israel will not give it
i simply don't/won't trust terrorists
Last edited by torrentt; 06-08-2008 at 04:29 PM.
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Since many around the world regard your own country as a terrorist state, why should they trust you?Originally Posted by torrentt
You need to look at things with a more open mind, instead of putting predetermined labels on everything because of what's happened in the past.
.Political correctness is based on the principle that it's possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.
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those who regard Israel as a terrorist state are the 24 arab countries.Since many around the world regard your own country as a terrorist state, why should they trust you?
You need to look at things with a more open mind, instead of putting predetermined labels on everything because of what's happened in the past.
some of them also say there was no holocaust and some say Israel belongs to them. i don't take insanity as a factor that i need to refer to.
The Almighty
For the first time in many Middle Eastern discussion, I must agree with lynx. Try looking at it from their side of the story. They see us as cunts who took land that belongs to Arabs, and declared a state. Now, they know they can't wipe us out, and yeah, I think they'd be stupid to think so, so they try and negotiate terms that will fit them.
We need to find the fine line where what we want and what they want are close to meeting, and then use it. It's possible. We should give it a go. Anything is better than a constant threat of war.
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why not give all Israel to the arabs and then we will have peace with all of them?
we must be kind to all the nice arabs and give them what they want, we don't want to be on their way. next step is to give more land to the palestinians (who never existed until 1948) and maybe they will be kind enough to let us live. u must see it from their eyes, they are all waiting to come back to where they lived 60 years ago, they don't support terror, they don't fight among themselfs, they don't teach their kids that killing Jews is going to heaven. all Israelis should go back to Europe and hope what happened 70 years ago won't happen again. but u must see it from their eyes too if they see too many Jews maybe they won't like us there too.
why won't you see the things from Israel eyes for a chage?
you think the Golan is a Syrian land, keep thinking this way, you're a minority, you can think what u want, thats pluralism, as long as it doesn't hurt anyone. if you want you can buy some land and give it to them, since you clearly don't have affinity to this land that was belong to your ancestors until the exile and is part of every Zionist.
Last edited by torrentt; 06-09-2008 at 05:06 PM.
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There are plenty of others who regard Israel as a destabilising factor in the Middle East, and your arguments against the arab countries could just as equally be applied the other way round, it is simply a case of adjusting your viewpoint.those who regard Israel as a terrorist state are the 24 arab countries.
some of them also say there was no holocaust and some say Israel belongs to them. i don't take insanity as a factor that i need to refer to.
Another thing you need to remember is that many countries rely on oil from the arab states. If Israel used nukes against any one of them it is almost certain that the rest would go to war, which would mean you would have to use them again. If you think that the countries that rely on arab oil are going to stand by while Israel nukes their supplies you need to think again. That's how these things escalate, Israel would be gone in an instant.
.Political correctness is based on the principle that it's possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.
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you're wrong. those who regard Israel as a destabilising factor in the Middle East are not aware to the reality here. They don't see the fights among arabs- shiites and sunnis, killing each other daily with no mercy. radical Islam uses force force and only force to achieve their willings, without even thinking about thinking about the suffer they cause.
as for the oil thing, the world won't terminate Israel if it bombs Iran, and as you can see all Europe and the USA are taking sanctions against them, and if they won't cooperate they will be attacked, by USA or Israel or more countries together.
personally i think its not reasonable to attack Iran alone and i hope Israel won't attack anyone, but if there is no other choice and Iran won't stop planning the end of Israel, then we must put an end to this.
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I suggest you go back and read what I said properly.
Again, you are looking at things only from your own viewpoint. Others see it differently, whatever you say about the situation. Whether they are wrong is immaterial, they still see Israel as the destabilising influence.
I think you'll find the Golan Heights are still on the Israel-Syria border, even your own paranoia hasn't managed to shift it to Iran.
What's more I specifically said nukes. If nukes start flying around the M.E. a large proportion of the world's oil supply will be adversely affected, and it isn't likely to be restored while Israel still retains the threat of more nuclear strikes. In that situation I suspect you would find Israel could count its friends on a single finger, and I wouldn't even be too sure about that.
.Political correctness is based on the principle that it's possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.
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your opinions on this subject seem to have changed quite a lot tralalala. Is it experience in the IDF or getting older or did i fundamentally misunderstand you in the past?
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