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    Quote Originally Posted by clocker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by brotherdoobie View Post
    Ben and Jerry's > *

    Sorry, inferior mouthfeel.

    Best ice cream ever is from the University of Wisconsin's Agriculture School (Dairy division), sold in the student union hall in Madison.
    Supposedly, the U. of Pennsylvania's is equally as good but I can't confirm this.

    If I lived in Madison I'd be a bleedin blimp in no time.
    I'll take your word for it, Clocker. Those Badgers know their dairy.
    Fact.


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    Quote Originally Posted by j2k4 View Post

    Never mind "dumping" a fraction of those people into a wildlife refuge - dump twice that many, and they'd still be lost in an area that size.

    700K divided by 3K = 230-odd people per acre.

    Not many at all, considering it as an industrial site.
    Except we've designated it as a Federal Wildlife Preserve, which is a bit different.

    Putting an oil derrick in your front yard isn't all that intrusive "considering it as an industrial site".
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    Never mind "dumping" a fraction of those people into a wildlife refuge - dump twice that many, and they'd still be lost in an area that size.

    700K divided by 3K = 230-odd people per acre.

    Not many at all, considering it as an industrial site.
    What about "dumping" 700k people in an area a quarter of that size? It's my understanding - that they (the people) will be heavily packed; into a much smaller area.


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    Quote Originally Posted by clocker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by j2k4 View Post

    Never mind "dumping" a fraction of those people into a wildlife refuge - dump twice that many, and they'd still be lost in an area that size.

    700K divided by 3K = 230-odd people per acre.

    Not many at all, considering it as an industrial site.
    Except we've designated it as a Federal Wildlife Preserve, which is a bit different.

    Putting an oil derrick in your front yard isn't all that intrusive "considering it as an industrial site".
    Who's this "we"?

    What about the citizens of Alaska?

    If they don't mind oil derricks why should you or anyone else?

    Can you see Alaska from your place?
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    Quote Originally Posted by brotherdoobie View Post
    Never mind "dumping" a fraction of those people into a wildlife refuge - dump twice that many, and they'd still be lost in an area that size.

    700K divided by 3K = 230-odd people per acre.

    Not many at all, considering it as an industrial site.
    What about "dumping" 700k people in an area a quarter of that size? It's my understanding - that they (the people) will be heavily packed; into a much smaller area.


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    Quote Originally Posted by j2k4 View Post

    Who's this "we"?

    What about the citizens of Alaska?
    "We" would be the entirety of the US population.
    ANWR is FEDERAL property, not state controlled.
    Sarah Palin's opinion about it's use carries no more weight than mine (at least in theory).

    On June 9th the BLM auctioned off 55,000 acres of the Roan Plateau in Colorado to oil/gas producers despite significant public opposition.
    Since "Drill, Baby, Drill" is the new Republican mantra, presumably that deed is ok, huh?
    State's rights are fine as long as they don't get in the way of energy producers?
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    [QUOTE=clocker;2961692]
    Quote Originally Posted by j2k4 View Post

    Who's this "we"?

    What about the citizens of Alaska?
    Quote Originally Posted by clocker View Post
    "We" would be the entirety of the US population.
    ANWR is FEDERAL property, not state controlled.
    Sarah Palin's opinion about it's use carries no more weight than mine (at least in theory).
    Then your use of the term "we" must be considered theoretical as well; I have no memory of being consulted on the matter of land use in Alaska, and I'm pretty sure you don't, either.

    Quote Originally Posted by clocker View Post
    On June 9th the BLM auctioned off 55,000 acres of the Roan Plateau in Colorado to oil/gas producers despite significant public opposition.
    Since "Drill, Baby, Drill" is the new Republican mantra, presumably that deed is ok, huh?
    State's rights are fine as long as they don't get in the way of energy producers?
    How does that apply, especially since there was public opposition?

    BTW-

    Colorado has just over 93 million acres, and you are griping over 55,000.

    ANWR (once again) is, by itself, 19 million acres, and approximately 3,000 would be subject to development.

    Perhaps if the Roan Plateau weren't Federal land, this deal you object to wouldn't even have taken place.

    Seems to me you've forgotten that the central player in all this is supposed to be the people, not the state; after all, we are not Communists.
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    Well, too bad the point is moot...McCain opposes drilling in ANWR.

    Oh wait, does he?
    I guess we'll have to see what Sarah tells him to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clocker View Post
    Well, too bad the point is moot...McCain opposes drilling in ANWR.

    Oh wait, does he?
    I guess we'll have to see what Sarah tells him to do.
    That was my thought, too.
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    It's interesting, McCain seems almost irrelevant to his own campaign.
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