McCain wins

[brotherdoobie]

I take it that you don't believe it's "Gods will" for America to build a natural-gas pipe line in the Alaskan National Wildlife Refuge.

-bd

In gold we trust sort of thing?

Apparently.


-bd

[j2k4]

I take it that you don't believe it's "Gods will" for America to build a natural-gas pipe line in the Alaskan National Wildlife Refuge.

-bd

In gold we trust sort of thing?

Someone - either one of you will do - tell me exactly why a natural gas pipeline in/through ANWR is a bad idea, and/or who would it hurt.

Do it now.

I will reply by reciting a short litany of those who would benefit.

[brotherdoobie]

In gold we trust sort of thing?

Someone - either one of you will do - tell me exactly why a natural gas pipeline in/through ANWR is a bad idea, and/or who would it hurt.

Do it now.

I will reply by reciting a short litany of those who would benefit.

I rarely debate politics. It's not my cup of tea. I prefer to let my vote speak for me (talking about politics - bores me to tears, mostly).

I wasn't really questioning the idea of a pipeline in/through ANWR. However, I find it ridiculous that Palin claims it's "Gods will" to do so.


-bd

[j2k4]

Someone - either one of you will do - tell me exactly why a natural gas pipeline in/through ANWR is a bad idea, and/or who would it hurt.

Do it now.

I will reply by reciting a short litany of those who would benefit.

I rarely debate politics. It's not my cup of tea. I prefer to let my vote speak for me (talking about politics - bores me to tears, mostly).

I wasn't really questioning the idea of a pipeline in/through ANWR. However, I find it ridiculous that Palin claims it's "Gods will" to do so.


-bd

Ah.

So you object on religious grounds.

[brotherdoobie]

I rarely debate politics. It's not my cup of tea. I prefer to let my vote speak for me (talking about politics - bores me to tears, mostly).

I wasn't really questioning the idea of a pipeline in/through ANWR. However, I find it ridiculous that Palin claims it's "Gods will" to do so.


-bd

Ah.

So you object on religious grounds.

I don't like the fact...that she professes to know what God's will is. It's arrogant and offensive.


-bd

[cuthalion]

This isn't original, I got it off the web.

As a military member residing in Alaska with a child old enough to enter kindergarten in most states and a wife whom has worked in education for the state of Alaska, Sarah Palin is not the candidate you wish to support if education is high on your list of priorities. Schools in her state (specifically the Fairbanks area, interior Alaska) are not in accordance with the "No Child Left Behind” Act of 2001 signed into law by President Bush. They lack Special Education teachers and tutors for special needs students and students behind the learning curve on the suggested curriculum. Alaska does not fund its schools using state taxes. Rather, it uses federal income tax to fund its schools. Alaska schools refuse to become Title I schools. Title I schools are those schools required under the “No Child Left Behind” Act of 2001 to provide supplemental instruction to students that are special needs or falling behind in their curriculum. The state of Alaska, under Governor Palin, has cut the aforementioned programs that the federal money was intended to provide for by labeling these students other than special needs in the areas stated and not classifying as Title I. In doing so the State of Alaska, under Governor Palin, deceptively has accepted federal money for services not rendered, while continuing the permanent dividend fund. She is quite a reformer indeed. This is quite a disturbing revelation considered she has mothered a special needs child.

[enoughfakefiles]

I prefer Aunt Bessie's.

[Biggles]

In gold we trust sort of thing?

Someone - either one of you will do - tell me exactly why a natural gas pipeline in/through ANWR is a bad idea, and/or who would it hurt.

Do it now.

I will reply by reciting a short litany of those who would benefit.

Generally a nature reserve is left pretty much untouched. Is it proposed that the pipeline be buried out of view or it going to be one of those cheap jobs that blight the scenery and rust and leak like anything?

Why can't the pipe go around the nature reserve if it is one of the above ground jobs?

Beneficiaries? Exxon etc., I doubt it would make petrol cheaper.

[j2k4]

[QUOTE=Biggles;2958631]

Someone - either one of you will do - tell me exactly why a natural gas pipeline in/through ANWR is a bad idea, and/or who would it hurt.

Do it now.

I will reply by reciting a short litany of those who would benefit.

Generally a nature reserve is left pretty much untouched. Is it proposed that the pipeline be buried out of view or it going to be one of those cheap jobs that blight the scenery and rust and leak like anything?

Okay, first some perspective, and leaving aside the pipeline for a moment:

All of the United Kingdom (if Google is to be trusted) comprises just under 60 million acres.

Alaska comes in at seven times that size - 420 million acres.

ANWR is 19 million acres, or about one-third the size of the entire United Kingdom.

All of which begs a wee, tiny question - are there any pipelines anywhere in the UK that are regarded as the blight of, what...Olde Blighty?

Would anyone here seriously posit this vast track of land has been or will be blighted by (in the case of drilling in ANWR) the use of three thousand acres?

Pipelines are homely, yes.

Convince me, in light of the above information, of the overwhelming weight of opinion relative to looks.

If it bothers you, give it a coat of paint, ffs.

If we drilled for oil in ANWR, I could drop you anywhere in the preserve and you would likely not even find the pipeline for six months.

Why can't the pipe go around the nature reserve if it is one of the above ground jobs?

See above.

Beneficiaries? Exxon etc., I doubt it would make petrol cheaper.

So?

What about the 700,000 jobs to build and run the operation?

How could gasoline not be at least slightly cheaper?

Not to mention the positive effect of providing our own oil, rather than supporting Wahabbist Saudi church-schools by purchasing from the mid-east?

Need I go on?

[clocker]

What about the 700,000 jobs to build and run the operation?
Where did this number come from?
How would you dump even a fraction of that many people into a wildlife refuge without adverse effects?

How could gasoline not be at least slightly cheaper?
Let me count the ways...
-It is unknown what kind of oil may be under the ground there. If it ain't light, sweet crude, it isn't going to be gasoline anyway.

-"The total production from ANWR would be between 0.4 and 1.2 percent of total world oil consumption in 2030. Consequently, ANWR oil production is not projected to have a large impact on world oil prices. Furthermore, the Energy Information Administration does not feel ANWR will affect the global price of oil when past behaviors of the oil market are considered. "The opening of ANWR is projected to have its largest oil price reduction impacts as follows: a reduction in low-sulfur, light crude oil prices of $0.41 per barrel (2006 dollars) in 2026 for the low oil resource case, $0.75 per barrel in 2025 for the mean oil resource case, and $1.44 per barrel in 2027 for the high oil resource case, relative to the reference case." "Assuming that world oil markets continue to work as they do today, the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) could neutralize any potential price impact of ANWR oil production by reducing its oil exports by an equal amount."(source:United States Energy Information Dept./wiki)"

Not to mention the positive effect of providing our own oil, rather than supporting Wahabbist Saudi church-schools by purchasing from the mid-east?
Our largest supplier of crude oil is Canada, so we'd better beware the beavers as well.
Until we wean ourselves from a gasoline based lifestyle, we will ALWAYS be in thrall to external suppliers...even a best-case scenario in Alaska will not make a dent in our demand.
Besides, faced with increasing demand from China and India- two economies that actually have money to spend and are much closer to the wellhead- OPEC will find it increasingly hard to maintain "favored trader" status with the US, no matter what we do.

Need I go on?

Yes, you do.