G.o.d (((((((((athiest))))))))))

[lynx]

I tend to think that in light of recent revelations, titey's posts are more topical comment.

[hobbes]

Originally posted by lynx+17 August 2003 - 11:55--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (lynx &#064; 17 August 2003 - 11:55)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by brotherdoobie@17 August 2003 - 09:45
semantics when talking about the difference between Agnostics
and Atheist.

There is a big difference between atheism and agnosticism.

Atheist: one who denies the existence of God.

Agnostic: a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and prob. unknowable; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god.

In other words, an agnostic is a fence sitter, one who is not going to believe one way or the other without proof.
You could certainly not accuse an atheist of being a fence sitter.

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It seems that those who believe, and those who deny, both must rely on faith. I prefer to hope there is something, treat others with dignity and respect, and enjoy my life, as I&#39;m not expecting anything.

Was there any need for that, it implies (perhaps subconciously) that people who do not concur with your views do not treat others with dignity and respect. But I doubt that you write anything without carefully considering the implications.

Absolutely there was need for that. Being Agnostic, I have no Bible or scripture to define my rules of conduct (morals), so I have to decide for myself, what is right and wrong. I was defining my approach to life.

As you accuse me of implying this subconciously, I will accuse you of reading things into my post based on your personal "spin".

I have enough trouble taking my own foot out of my mouth, don&#39;t make me take your shoe out of my mouth as well.


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Agree with first part. Most people who declare themselves to be Atheists are actually Agnostic.

Atheist can be literally translated "without God", but the meaning used in practice (Merriam-Webster, Cambridge, etc) is defined as one who believes that God does not exist. Not all words are used in practice as their literal translations.

[i_have_a.d.d.]

Originally posted by JPaul+16 August 2003 - 14:10--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JPaul @ 16 August 2003 - 14:10)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by i_have_a.d.d.@16 August 2003 - 19:32
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@16 August 2003 - 09:51
You can get some at speakers corner.

I assume it&#39;s woofers you need.

2 words "RADIOSHACK"


lol

THAT&#39;S ONE WORD. [/b][/quote]
NO SHIT its A joke u lamo

[i_have_a.d.d.]

Originally posted by Petri+16 August 2003 - 19:00--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Petri @ 16 August 2003 - 19:00)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by "Atheism"@ Wikipedia.org
The term atheism is formed of the Greek prefix a- (meaning "without" or "not") and the Greek-derived theism, meaning a belief in a god (or gods). The literal meaning of the term is therefore without a belief in a god or gods, making any person who does not believe in the existence of a god or gods an atheist -- including both those who believe that no god exists and those who do not take a position on the existence of god(s).

Most atheists do not claim that gods don&#39;t exist. They just don&#39;t believe that they do.

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The other side asserts that God does not exist and did not create us. How do they know this, faith. They offer no explanation as to how we got here.

Ever heard of the "Big Bang" theory? Anyway, "an invisible man in the sky made us" is hardly what I would call an explanation... [/b][/quote]
LOL invisible

[i_have_a.d.d.]

Originally posted by titey+16 August 2003 - 20:00--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (titey @ 16 August 2003 - 20:00)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-hobbes@16 August 2003 - 22:51
No,(in regard to the first post, not the quoted one) because a theory admits that the proposer is "talking out of his ass" and working on proof. The Catholic church hardly takes such a stance.

Just because the Catholic church won&#39;t admit they&#39;re talking out their asses doesn&#39;t mean they&#39;re not. (That is when they&#39;re not violating someone else&#39;s ass.)

According to your definition of a theory:

a theory is defined "an unproven assumption".

belief in god would then be a theory... since there is no proof... only an assumption... regardless of whether you wish to call that assumption "faith". [/b][/quote]
i knew something was kinda um.... shity
lol ASS

[i_have_a.d.d.]

Originally posted by lynx+17 August 2003 - 02:55--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (lynx @ 17 August 2003 - 02:55)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by brotherdoobie@17 August 2003 - 09:45
semantics when talking about the difference between Agnostics
and Atheist.

There is a big difference between atheism and agnosticism.

Atheist: one who denies the existence of God.

Agnostic: a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and prob. unknowable; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god.

In other words, an agnostic is a fence sitter, one who is not going to believe one way or the other without proof.
You could certainly not accuse an atheist of being a fence sitter.

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It seems that those who believe, and those who deny, both must rely on faith. I prefer to hope there is something, treat others with dignity and respect, and enjoy my life, as I&#39;m not expecting anything.

Was there any need for that, it implies (perhaps subconciously) that people who do not concur with your views do not treat others with dignity and respect. But I doubt that you write anything without carefully considering the implications.

Hundreds (thousands ?) of years of persecution of non-believers have resulted in an unwillingness to challenge the &#39;authority&#39; of religions, it is only relatively recently that there has been a freedom to speak openly against the unthinking dogma&#39;s imposed on the masses. The result is that the number of &#39;ardent&#39; followers is rapidly diminishing.
There are still many who, if asked, state a preference to follow the norm of believing in some form of deity, but in practice the majority do nothing to follow up that stated belief. Remove those who profess belief for the sake of appearances and you are left with a realtively small core, what most would call a cult. The rest are merely the result of brainwashing from an age at which they know no better.
If children were exposed to the same sort of high pressure salesmanship with regards to junk fairies, elves, aliens from mars, etc there would rightly be an uproar, yet we here nothing when they are exposed to a constant litany exhorting them to believe in deities. Stop teaching bunkum to children and the religions will die out in less than a century. [/b][/quote]
yes thats why ppl R so dam into there beliefes cause they think that the parents would never Ly to them

dam those brain washing sons Of guns

[i_have_a.d.d.]

Originally posted by JPaul@17 August 2003 - 03:17
The theories on how the big bang came about are even more fascinating than the big bang itself.

My big difficulty with a purely scientific explanation is that it always leaves the question - but what made that happen ..... ad infinitum.

Prof Hawking, who people often quote when attempting to put forward a scientific explanation for life, the universe and everything, believes there is a God.

As an aside why do we find it so easy to accept his big bang theory, which let&#39;s be honest few of us really understand. But if we see a sign which says wet paint, we have to touch it to check.

""wet paint, we have to touch it to check""

this prooves some ppl R to curios to be normal

[theprisoner]

i do believe in God(not a big church goer though), but if you think about, something had to come from nothing. How did the first gas and matter to start the big bang to happen? How did the bacteria(life) come to be? I believe in evoultion and the big bang happened but not without cause.

[Alucard1475]

theprisoner Posted on 18 August 2003 - 13:44
&nbsp; i do believe in God(not a big church goer though), but if you think about, something had to come from nothing. How did the first gas and matter to start the big bang to happen? How did the bacteria(life) come to be? I believe in evoultion and the big bang happened but not without cause.&nbsp;

Agree with that one.

[lynx]

So who made god ?
And why ?