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[imnotanaddict]

Originally posted by titey+18 August 2003 - 15:41--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (titey &#064; 18 August 2003 - 15:41)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Spider_dude@18 August 2003 - 09:22
god made himself, quite simply when you are an all powerful infallible being you will understand.
in·fal·li·ble&nbsp;
Incapable of erring: an infallible guide; an infallible source of information.
Incapable of failing; certain: an infallible antidote; an infallible rule.

If there were a god... and he were infallible... then how do you explain man?

If man were created by an infallable entity, man would be perfect.

Man is hardly perfect. [/b][/quote]

titey
Posted: 18 August 2003 - 15:41
If there were a god... and he were infallible... then how do you explain man?

If man were created by an infallable entity, man would be perfect.

Man is hardly perfect.


If man were perfect. Would&#39;nt that make us gods or atleast god-like? But even
that would be a subject for debate. If I were physically perfect? Mentally perfect?
Would that include telepathy? Complete knowledge of everything even the future?
I could go on and on but that is another topic alone.
My point is if we were perfect:
What would be our purpose?
Why live a life if we could&#39;nt learn.
To experience things.
Would&#39;nt everyone be the same..." P E R F E C T ".
Would we be much more than Robot"s, predictable.
Would we have personalities?
Would we all look alike?
Would we have emotions?
And why do I picture Data on &#39;Star Trek" right about now.

GENESIS 3 : 6
When Adam and Eve ate from "The Tree of Life" not only were they taking their
first step toward "Free Will" but the consequences for disobiedience as well.

The first 3 Chapters of Genesis are awsome. Just read it again for the first time in years.

The books of the bible were written by men. But fiction? without any outside(God)
guidiance? Just does&#39;nt seem possible.

One conversation I had with a guy that was much more knowledgeable on the
subject than I . I said "I thought that If "God is Perfect" why does God tell someone
to do something if he already knows whether there not going to (or going to) do it in obedience". Like (for instance) God telling Adam and Eve not eat from the tree of life. Did&#39;nt he already know what would happen?
He said: "I think God would can know what would happen but I think he sometimes chooses not to know.
( the future, that is )

[titey]

Originally posted by imnotanaddict+19 August 2003 - 16:16--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (imnotanaddict &#064; 19 August 2003 - 16:16)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>My point is if we were perfect:
What would be our purpose?[/b]

But isn&#39;t your god perfect?
Does he have no purpose then?


<!--QuoteBegin-imnotanaddict@19 August 2003 - 16:16
know the fu[/quote]
I choose to belive that was an unfinished thought.

[Neil__]

imnotanaddict, titey and Spider_dude

A few questions.

If God made us perfect, would we need a God?

If God doesn&#39;t exist do you think it likely that we would invent one to explain/excuse our imperfections?

As an athiest I strongly support peoples right to believe in any God they feel is theirs but do take exception to those who use God as an all encompasing answer to any problem without looking further.

I know there are those who will say that everything is the work of god, if thats the case what&#39;s the point in making decisions about anything?


Thats the thing with blind faith, everything we don&#39;t understand can far too easily be attributed to the devine.

If anyone has view on these points then I would be very interested.

Neil

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by Neil__@19 August 2003 - 22:47
Thats the thing with blind faith, everything we don&#39;t understand can far too easily be attributed to the devine.

Are you a mentalist at all ?

[Neil__]

Originally posted by JPaul+19 August 2003 - 22:51--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JPaul &#064; 19 August 2003 - 22:51)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Neil__@19 August 2003 - 22:47
Thats the thing with blind faith, everything we don&#39;t understand can far too easily be attributed to the devine.

Are you a mentalist at all ? [/b][/quote]
Mentalism, practiced by mentalists

1. Parapsychological activities, such as telepathy and mind reading.
2. The belief that some mental phenomena cannot be explained by physical laws.


No. I believe everything is explainable by physical laws

But I also believe we have a very crude and incomplete understanding of physics.

Neil.

[J'Pol]

Some things are explainable by spelling.

[Neil__]

Some things are explainable by spelling.

And some people concentrate on the banal.

Neil.

[imnotanaddict]

I edited unfinished post (had to leave in a hurry).
Won&#39;t be back on line until tomorrow
titey/neil would very much like to pick this back up again.

[lynx]

Originally posted by imnotanaddict@19 August 2003 - 22:16
The books of the bible were written by men. But fiction? without any outside(God)
guidiance? Just does&#39;nt seem possible.

Oh, come on, Cinderella and Snow White are more credible than some of the bible stories.

[Rat Faced]

An awful lot of begatting in that book....top shelf material.

And i agree with Lynx, takes more than someone saying his hands were guided by god to make it so.

Lot of people were killed in Spain and elswhere for claiming exactly that.... (amongst other things)


In addition, the Bible was translated a couple of times....badly.