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[chalice]

Wasn't it Pascalle who deliniated four scenarios for faith?

1. If you don't believe in God and there is no God then you have lost nothing.

2. If you don't believe in God but there is a God you have lost much.

3. If you believe in God and there is a God then you will gain.

4. If you believe in God but there is no God then you have lost nothing.

According to that, the smart money is on belief.

[clocker]

So if you look at the Sun and realize that you've gone blind, then you've somehow missed the point?

[clocker]

Originally posted by chalice@16 September 2003 - 18:07
Wasn't it Pascalle who deliniated four scenarios for faith?

1. If you don't believe in God and there is no God then you have lost nothing.

2. If you don't believe in God but there is a God you have lost much.

3. If you believe in God and there is a God then you will gain.

4. If you believe in God but there is no God then you have lost nothing.

According to that, the smart money is on belief.

Only if you buy into #4, Chalice.

Missing out on a lifetime of hot, monkey sex should count as something...

[chalice]

Originally posted by clocker+17 September 2003 - 01:11--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (clocker &#064; 17 September 2003 - 01:11)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-chalice@16 September 2003 - 18:07
Wasn&#39;t it Pascalle who deliniated four scenarios for faith?

1. If you don&#39;t believe in God and there is no God then you have lost nothing.

2. If you don&#39;t believe in God but there is a God you have lost much.

3. If you believe in God and there is a God then you will gain.

4. If you believe in God but there is no God then you have lost nothing.

According to that, the smart money is on belief.

Only if you buy into #4, Chalice.

Missing out on a lifetime of hot, monkey sex should count as something... [/b][/quote]
lol, Clocker, I&#39;ve never backed a winner in my life.

*edit* And you&#39;re right, ofcourse. A lifetime of hot monkey sex is better than an eternity remembering it.

[clocker]

Originally posted by chalice@16 September 2003 - 18:14

lol, Clocker, I&#39;ve never backed a winner in my life.

*edit* And you&#39;re right, ofcourse. A lifetime of hot monkey sex is better than an eternity remembering it.

Hop on the bandwagon, Chalice&#33;

It may not be too late.

[hobbes]

Originally posted by chalice@17 September 2003 - 02:07
Wasn&#39;t it Pascalle who deliniated four scenarios for faith?

1. If you don&#39;t believe in God and there is no God then you have lost nothing.

2. If you don&#39;t believe in God but there is a God you have lost much.

3. If you believe in God and there is a God then you will gain.

4. If you believe in God but there is no God then you have lost nothing.

According to that, the smart money is on belief.

Which God, Pascalle? There are thousands of religions to chose from and many require specific acts and beliefs which are contrary to anothers&#39;.

And are you asking me to actually believe in God or just follow the teachings of the "right" religion.

My mind does not have the ability to have "faith". I think "faith", like nationalism, like loyalty, is one of those things which are placed in the hardwiring of little children and becomes permanent when the mold has set. Nobody gave me this seed of "faith". I will always have doubts.


So Pascalle is really asking people to pretend they believe, which is a farce. To me religion is not percentages. You either have full faith or you don&#39;t. Any God who requires belief can spot a phony.

I just use my own sense of right and wrong to guide me and assume that if there is a God, he will appreciate my efforts and reward me.

No loving God would banish me to hell for eternity for a life that is just a nanosecond. If he isn&#39;t loving, then fuck him, you&#39;re doomed no matter what you do.


Edit: Here I am trying to save our immortal souls and Clocker is off f8cking monkeys.

[MagicNakor]

Originally posted by clocker@17 September 2003 - 02:09
So if you look at the Sun and realize that you&#39;ve gone blind, then you&#39;ve somehow missed the point?

Well, I asked that too. Then I was told that it&#39;d work for the moon, if I was so inclined.

However, you can look at the sun for a short period of time. I&#39;ve done it, and I&#39;m not blind.

[chalice]

I agree with you totally, Hobbes.
My mind cannot or will not accept anything beyond my own sphere.
Pascalle was obviously referring to the Christian set of beliefs but it is, in the main, applicable to all organised religions. To play the percentage, for a lot of people, is acceptable because it fills the void.

Religion, like politics, is learned. Sometimes it is disregarded for less defined "truths" and the whole scenario starts up all over again.

It is a wise man who knows he knows nothing.

[clocker]

MN,

I&#39;m running right out to the library and getting Zen for Dummies...

I&#39;d like to see if it&#39;s possible to wake up with Renee Zellweger next to me.

[chalice]

And just to qualify, I subscribe to neither nationalism nor loyalism.
I am not a catholic (big or small "c") nor a protestant.
Hardwiring can be re-wired.