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[ilw]

JPaul I was wondering, which parts of the catholic faith do you believe and or follow? Is it mostly the ethics or is it more the spiritual teachings? Also are you a practicing catholic or is it simply the belief thats important to you?

[clocker]

Originally posted by Billy_Dean@18 September 2003 - 20:16
I guess I'm anti-semetic, at least, I hope I am.

Really?

[thewizeard]

anti-Semitic=
hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a religious, ethnic, or racial group

I can't believe this Rikk...

[Snee]

I'm hoping that he means that he is against the belief's of judaism, and judaism itself as a religion, and not that he would discriminate against those who follow the creed individually.

Puh-leeze say it is so Billy_Dean

[clocker]

Billy Dean: from the "Palestine or Israel" thread...

Exeus, one of the reasons the mainstream media in Australia is pro-Israeli is because it is largely jewish owned. Not the stations, the content, which, as you will know, is mostly fed to us from the States.

Apparently an adherent of the old "Jewish Media Conspiracy" theory also.

[lynx]

Semitic
adj.
1. Of or relating to the Semites or their languages or cultures.
2. Of, relating to, or constituting a subgroup of the Afro-Asiatic language group that includes Arabic, Hebrew, Amharic, and Aramaic.

Perhaps Billy didn't realise he was including most of the Middle East in his anti-semetic (sic) statement.

[chalice]

I hate this thread.
Look what it has become. I hate it.

[Snee]

"evidence of a designed universe"

Good for a laugh at least.

(Sorry Chalice, this is a bit more on-topic)

[Billy_Dean]

Anti-Semitism \An`ti-Sem"i*tism\, n. Opposition to, or hatred of, Semites, esp. Jews

Obviously it was, strictly speaking, the wrong phrase to use.

Snny.

I'm hoping that he means that he is against the belief's of judaism, and judaism itself as a religion, and not that he would discriminate against those who follow the creed individually.

I should have said this.

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This is the sort of thing I mean. I'm sure there's other sides to this.

"The modern Jew is the product of the Talmud..."

"Babylonian Talmud", published by the Boston Talmud Society, p. XII

The Jews refer to the remainder of Earths inhabitants, the non-Jewish peoples, as "Gentiles", "Goyim". Let's see what the Jewish Talmud teaches the Jews concerning the non-Jewish majority, i.e. those who are not part of Jahve's "Chosen People":

"The Jews are called human beings, but the non-Jews are not humans. They are beasts."

Talmud: Baba mezia, 114b

"The Akum (non-Jew) is like a dog. Yes, the scripture teaches to honor the the dog more than the non-Jew."

Ereget Raschi Erod. 22 30

"Even though God created the non-Jew they are still animals in human form. It is not becoming for a Jew to be served by an animal. Therfore he will be served by animals in human form."

Midrasch Talpioth, p. 255, Warsaw 1855

"A pregnant non-Jew is no better than a pregnant animal."

Coschen hamischpat 405

"The souls of non-Jews come from impure sprits and are called pigs."

Jalkut Rubeni gadol 12b

"Although the non-Jew has the same body structure as the Jew, they compare with the Jew like a monkey to a human."

Schene luchoth haberith, p. 250 b

"If you eat with a Gentile, it is the same as eating with a dog."

Tosapoth, Jebamoth 94b

"If a Jew has a non-Jewish servant or maid who dies, one should not express sympathy to the Jew. You should tell the Jew: "God will replace 'your loss', just as if one of his oxen or asses had died"."

Jore dea 377, 1

"Sexual intercourse between Gentiles is like intercourse between animals."

Talmud Sanhedrin 74b

"It is permitted to take the body and the life of a Gentile."

Sepher ikkarim III c 25

"It is the law to kill anyone who denies the Torah. The Christians belong to the denying ones of the Torah."

Coschen hamischpat 425 Hagah 425. 5

"A heretic Gentile you may kill outright with your own hands."

Talmud, Abodah Zara, 4b

"Every Jew, who spills the blood of the godless (non-Jews), is doing the same as making a sacrifice to God."

Talmud: Bammidber raba c 21 & Jalkut 772

Opposing this type of rubbish is also considered anti-semitic, that is my understanding.

[Biggles]

Snny

An interesting link. However, I rather suspect the good Dr. has an a priori attachment to his faith which leads him to make the connections he has. This does not mean his conclusions are wrong, merely that it must be included in any analysis of his thesis.

I personally have no problem with the idea of intelligent design inherent in the Universe - I just don't see the connection between that and say, for example, not eating pig or for that matter whatever taboo is relevant to any particular faith here on Earth. The sheer antiquity of the Universe and the many attempts here on Earth by other species to establish themselves prior to man does beg a number of questions. We have existed only a short time in comparison to the many that have gone before. Life may be by design, but it is vanity to assume that we are the apex. We may simply be a step along the way.

There is, I suppose, a good argument for the position that all faiths are an attempt to commune with that intelligent design and consequently all faiths are equally valid. Unfortunately, the more vocal adherents of each religion are less than keen on this idea - each claiming sole ownership of the truth.

Therein lies the problem. In my view all religion is man made. Faith may be divine, but it is a walk apart from this earth and requires no validation from others nor does it seek to impose on others. However, that is only my view.

Chalice, I agree - it does appear to have become a little tetchy in here. Robust humour can be fun but the wheels can fall off very quickly.