...and your heroes

[torrentt]

ilw, facts tells that each time that Israel released Arabs from prison in such deals, some of those Arabs came back and killed Israelis.
kuntar is now a part of hizbullah as far as can be seen by the reception he got and we all know what hizbullahs primary goal.
for the video camera vs food thing, we see many of these things that poor arabs are "victoms" of bad Israelis, don't you wonder if it is a provocation or why don't u see opposite incidents photographed by these Arabs? why u see only a small scene of that occasion? instead of making the hatred grow more and more, why don't they establish a country in their territory and prove the world they can do it?

[Skiz]

Skizo - the soldier has admitted the shooting so its not a fake

I never said or even insinuated that the video was fake. It's obviously a video taped event.

What I did state was that I just didn't believe the happenings of what occurred in the video was being accurately portrayed.

[BawA]

we see many of these things that poor arabs are "victoms" of bad Israelis, don't you wonder if it is a provocation or why don't u see opposite incidents photographed by these Arabs?

who said they are poor, damp fuck, its Israel closing the bypasses and foods dont get to gaza people, camera is one timer, you got it once and you can use for as long as it lasts, food is something which runs out. food is not the only thing.
beside war is not always won with guns and muscles, some time using your mind(aka exposing the enemy) works just like any other tactics, something similar to major news channels in USA propagandizing for US in last Iraq war.
i wonder what you would say next... "i thought Arabs didnt had car" well they do, and they do in Gaza as well but its Israel stopping fuel supply to Gaza as well.

[IdolEyes787]

I just saw a story on the news where a Western journalist was allowed to interview someone who attempted a suicide bombing in Afghanistan.
The writer was expecting some hardened Taliban fanatic.He was shocked to find a frightened 14 year old boy.
The pathetic child didn't even know what suicide meant.He was simply told if he carried out his task he would be allowed to see his mother again.
He was totally unaware of the consequences to what he was doing.
I know Afghanistan isn't Gaza but would this fall under the heading of other tactics or using your mind?

[BawA]

Skizo - the soldier has admitted the shooting so its not a fake

I never said or even insinuated that the video was fake. It's obviously a video taped event.

What I did state was that I just didn't believe the happenings of what occurred in the video was being accurately portrayed.

how would you loved that to be portrayed? "A soldier accidentally shot a blindfolded guy when he was trying to fly away a mosquito from him, when questioned soldier said his commanding officer was concerned of wounded guy's health and ordered him to shot away the bug; mosquito was quite large "

BawA, you are making a fool of yourself by comparing the 2 threads, this one to the one with samir kuntar which is your hero. Kuntar shot a man at close range in the back, in front of his daughter, and drowned him in the sea to ensure he was dead. Next, he smashed the head of 4 year-old Einat on beach rocks and crushed her skull with the butt of his rifle. its not even close to shooting a rubber bullet at someone's toe.
if you are trying to say that Israel is worse then the arab world so you live in a weird bubble and i feel sorry for you.

how did i miss that...
point in making this thread is not to compare the circumstances which led into what happened but to understand the events.
and FYKI Arab world is not only Lebanon and Palestine which jew state has problem with, you wont find rats about violence in gulf countries except iraq which again America has presence there , infect jew state is so keen to start relation with GCC and am not talking out of my ass(like you) its documented news where shimon Perez was pushing himself between arab politicians specially Qatar's prince. and again for your info you dont know how high is standard in some GCC countries you wont see such in California leave alone so called "Haifa", British people would murder to get here in Dubai(300k living here).

[torrentt]

Bawa, i read and i read what you write here, and i see u'r an idiot
last time we opened the bypasses, the poor arabs killed the 2 drivers who went to give the poor arabs supply
and who used muscles? the poor arabs clearly say they will kidnap more and more israelis so they can trade them for the other poor arabs who are involved in killing israelis. hamas kill fatah ppl and throw them out of tall buildings - force is the only way of life for the poor arabs.
i know poor arabs do have cars, and i know where are all the fuel come from too, do u know where is it from?
and for the protocol by saing poor arabs i'm talking about the palestenians and i'm being cynical

[tralalala]

well the difference is this:
If an Israeli soldier shoots a toe - he goes to prison.
If an Arab man kill 4 years old child and her father - he becomes an international hero in the arab world.

says who? this is a one in hundred shot, all those crimes happening only few of them gets coverage which un-willingly some action is taken about it.
before the upraising such thing was a matter of Israeli pride, only after wards media came into mainstreaming these crimes and jew state started to lose some advantage of being the hated nation in middle east therefore some secrecy was applied to riot controls.

Excuse me, you know this how? You've never served in the IDF and you never will, so you'll never kow. So don't state facts that aren't accurate.

My friend is a cameraman in the IDF, and he actually videotaped an event which showed why and how the IDF soldeirs are always shown as the bad guys, though in reality it's far from the truth.


I cannot elaborate on this videotape as it's classified (in actual fact, not even I was meant to see it).

[j2k4]

Seems the point needs to be reiterated every so often that good info is hard to find.

These arguments always follow incidents the documentation of which is necessarily suspect.

Bottom line is we each end up making the arguments we are disposed to make, whatever the evidence.

Ironic that the argument over whose documentation of these events is (more) legitimate is easily as bilious as the Arab/Israeli debate itself.

[lynx]

Seems to me that the issue of who's interpretation is more credible is distracting from the proper issue.

Even if we accept the most innocuous explanation, that the officer wanted the soldier to scare the Palestinian and the soldier misunderstood, we should be asking 2 questions.
Why did the officer want to scare the Palestinian, as far as I'm aware there are no reports that he was doing anything wrong?
Why would the soldier think that scaring someone would involve shooting that person in the foot?

To my mind, these two questions raise considerable doubts about the supposed integrity of the IDF. If their officers can't act properly, and their soldiers don't understand that shooting people for the heck of it is wrong, then the whole setup stinks and those supporting its actions need to have a serious re-evaluation of their own standards.

[BawA]

says who? this is a one in hundred shot, all those crimes happening only few of them gets coverage which un-willingly some action is taken about it.
before the upraising such thing was a matter of Israeli pride, only after wards media came into mainstreaming these crimes and jew state started to lose some advantage of being the hated nation in middle east therefore some secrecy was applied to riot controls.

Excuse me, you know this how? You've never served in the IDF and you never will, so you'll never kow. So don't state facts that aren't accurate.

My friend is a cameraman in the IDF, and he actually videotaped an event which showed why and how the IDF soldeirs are always shown as the bad guys, though in reality it's far from the truth.


I cannot elaborate on this videotape as it's classified (in actual fact, not even I was meant to see it).

could that be Zohan movie

in recent news the officer has admitted the guilt of Ordering to shoot the helpless protester.
i wonder what you will come up in defense.
its started to look in here like war crime trails, hopeless arguments .