...and your heroes

[BawA]

Serving in the IDF is probably one of the most difficult jobs in the modern world.. Not only do you have to defend yourself and your country with an iron fist, but you also have to try and do it in the most humane way, when in front of you come plenty of arrogant people who don't understand this fact, and try to mingle with the soldiers who barely get enough sleep and who are under constant threat of being shot in the head by the odd Palestinian sniper here and there.

i cant hold it
its just like briefing where a guy talks about why people should join army.
not getting enough sleep... isn't that in all armies?(live on minimal), constant threat? again same as all army AKA their job, you dont expect them to sleep off their ass's all the day eating Palestinian hamos, do you?
and everybody know how human are they, more like savages.

So, basically, soldiers in the IDF are subject to one of 2 things - First, they have to be humane, do stuff according to the "game rules" and co., or suffer punishment by the IDF court of justice.

yeh be humane by shooting helpless people and only get suspended for doing that.
if you think what ever your so called IDF does is something to be proud of then realize why other side is so proud of their hero's. the only thing is west recognizes jew state but HAMAS/FATAH and other militants who are trying to keep safe their nation and fight for them are not.

[tralalala]

I cant hold it -

It's becoming silly.. Obviously I can't change your mind, nor can you change mine, but let's keep it simple - You obviously think that any tiny thing an Israeli soldier does is wrong, since we don't deserve a state in the first place, yet any massive explosion a Palestinian militant/suicide-bomber does is perfectly alright since they are only protecting their nation.


Does anyone else get how ridiculous this sounds?


You seem to think every single soldier in our army is out there to kill Arabs just for being Arabs.. Well, no, we're not Nazi's, that's not what I and my friends will join the army to do. We will join the army to protect our state, our ONLY state, from being bombarded and screwed by the likes of Hamas/Fatah/Hizbollah militants - If it takes force, we shall use it. It's as simple as that.


Either play the game the way it is, or don't play it at all and don't complain.

[The Flying Cow]

Well do you deserve a state?

Are you trying to say the Israelis don't interfere with the Arabs in Jerusalem and wherever else they share "borders"?

I'm not going to enter this discussion, but like j2l said, this is a double-sided 'heads' coin.

Neither side is innocent and 'humane', like you put in your IDF propaganda crap.


-Sherman

[BawA]

rafi boy, you know me better than this, i was never for killing innocent but i certainly believe in 'an eye for eye'. and dont say your against that cuz when that bulldozer hit Jerusalem your government issued order to demolish attackers home and refuge his family.
i never liked hamas, he keeps screwing around with peace negotiations but it wasn't them shooting the 1st bullet after each peace deals, infect most of the times Israel didnt gave peace deals any chance to live a lil bit longer.

you say your not Nazis, well see what your doing with Gaza, if its not a road to consideration camp then i dont know what it is.
Nazis before transferring jews into the consideration camp separated them from polish people by sending them to Warsaw and stopped supplies from them, doesn't that ring a bell in you head mr 'we are not Nazis' .

[tralalala]

No it doesn't ring a bell for the simple reason that the Palestinians don't want anything to do with us. The Jews in Poland were a serious part of their culture and co. The Palestinians want nothing to do with us, they bombard us, and attack us, so why should Israel give Gaza, which someday will become a state, OUR drinking water, OUR fuel, OUR food? In fact, why should we even let Palestinian workers into Israel to work, if they dislike us? What reason apart from cheap labour could we have for letting them in here to work?

And by the way, it's concentration camp, not consideration camp


And I'm not going to get into the "1st bullet" discussion, it's like arguing whether the chicken or the egg came first..

[Sextent]

Consideration Camps sound quite lovely.

I'm afraid I cant take any argument seriously when the person putting it forward constantly uses the phrase "jew state".

Seriously old bean, it just makes you sound like a bigot and turns people off.

[The Flying Cow]

^He is a wee bit of a racialist. That's putting it mildly, as well.

But I dislike the other side's cunts, too.

[lynx]

OUR drinking water, OUR fuel, OUR food?

I think that to some extent you've just highlighted part of the problem, and it was nice of you to capitalise it.

The fact is that it used to be THEIR drinking water, THEIR fuel, THEIR food.
Although you may have considerably enhanced them (and at the same time increased the strains on the very same resources) what right do you think you have to refuse access to them?

[BawA]

Consideration Camps sound quite lovely.

I'm afraid I cant take any argument seriously when the person putting it forward constantly uses the phrase "jew state".

Seriously old bean, it just makes you sound like a bigot and turns people off.

am not against jews pal i just dont recognize "Israel". this state was based on force and occupation.

ohh and rafi non of those resources you mentioned is yours and will never be yours, fact is you robed Arabs from them and selling it back to them.
one thing is sure you quit got every thing wrong and i dont blame you i blame the Zionism education which is racial education.

why you should let Arabs into Israel to work?... cuz you goddamn people took all the useful lands and left Arabs with sands and even when they plant olive there you destroy it. now that rest of the world is trying to set the boards in Jerusalem you are 1 step ahead of the world and building more and more settlement so by the time US decides to say NO to more settlement's it would be already too late.

although Jews where part of Poland, history says they were un wanted there as well.

[Skiz]

OUR drinking water, OUR fuel, OUR food?

I think that to some extent you've just highlighted part of the problem, and it was nice of you to capitalise it.

The fact is that it used to be THEIR drinking water, THEIR fuel, THEIR food.
Although you may have considerably enhanced them (and at the same time increased the strains on the very same resources) what right do you think you have to refuse access to them?

Because they took it, that's why. The same as every piece of land on this planet was taken by force from one country or another.

Who's water, food, or fuel it was is of little consequence...

It's understandable why the Palestinians want it back, but they're gonna have to take it. Sucker punches aren't going to do it though.