Smoking In Public

[insanebassman]

[quote]Originally posted by hobbes@19 August 2003 - 12:13

There is no law, this was an independent decision made by Pizza Hut. Did I miss something?

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I just want to go to a restaurant to eat, not start a confrontation or bother anyone else. And I don't want to have my clothes smell like shit when I get home. I'm a pretty simple guy.

to the first part I quoted, I mentioned this was not just in response to you...

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to the second part, I really can not blame ya. I am not fond of the smell anymore either.... but I still support people and establishment rights to choose.

[titey]

Originally posted by hobbes@19 August 2003 - 14:13
As I posted before, the concept that smoking areas are actually distinct from non-smoking areas, is equivalent to covering your eyes and pretending that the person one table over no longer exists.

But I enjoy playing peek-a-boo with the other people in the restaurant.

[Ron]

I have a bar, and at least 90% of my customers smoke.
Haven't had one girl to work here that didn't either.
Should I ban smoking too, and go bankrupt?
I read somewhere that Holland was thinking about banning smoking in all pubs, restaurants, etc., but that it might cause the loss of 50.000 jobs!!!
Every country makes BILLIONS of $ on taxes on tobacco every year. If we all stopped smoking, healthcare would cease to exist due to a lack of money.
No more F1 either btw. Gone.
Hell, it's not even unimaginable that the economy would crumble.
Might as well ban alcohol too. That kills a lot of innocent people too, due to alcohol influenced driving.
No more alcohol and tobacco in the shops, the mob will have a field day there.
Millions of people unemployed all overthe world. They won't have the money anymore to spend on other luxury items, so we'd get an avalanche effect that would make even more millions unemployed, probably a lot of anti tobacco supporters.
Tell the farmersto stop using fertilizers and pest control products whle you're at it, they poison my food!!
What's that?
The crops would be decimated?
Who cares?
I want pure, unpoisoned products on my plate!
No more antibiotics either. They kill your immunity against bacteria. Let's get rid of them. No more pharmaceutical industry. Another couple of million unemployeds. Who cares?
Cars kill too. Ban 'em!
Guns? Ban 'em!

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by Ron@19 August 2003 - 20:34
No more F1 either btw. Gone.

wrong

there is a ban on tobacco advertising on a few of the current races already

if no races had tobacco advertising, f1 would continue

[Ron]

Wrong.
Belgium put a ban on tobacco ads, an there was no more F1.
So we changed the law again, and now it's back.

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by Ron@19 August 2003 - 20:40
Wrong.
Belgium put a ban on tobacco ads, an there was no more F1.
So we changed the law again, and now it's back.

belgium wasn't banned for tobacco ads, it was safety reasons...

what about magny cours?
it has no tobacco sponsoring and the race is still there...

[Ron]

For how long?
How long will certain race tracks survive without that income?
And why do people think that it will stop people stop from smoking?

[Ron]

BTW, I (and a lot of people) still think the F1 was taken from us because of the ad ban.
Safety reasons were just an escape route.

[MagicNakor]

Originally posted by hobbes@19 August 2003 - 20:13
There is no law, this was an independent decision made by Pizza Hut. Did I miss something?...

Likely that was in response to me; it actually is a law passed through by the WCB. And the damn law went through so many revisions it's confusing. But here it is, from the WCB:

What does the Occupational Health and Safety Regulation require for controlling environmental tobacco smoke in hospitality establishments as of May 1, 2002?

The Regulation requires employers in public entertainment facilities to control workers' exposure to environmental tobacco smoke through one of the following options:

- Prohibiting smoking at the worksite
- Restricting smoking to a designated smoking area such as a safe outdoor location, or a designated smoking room (DSR) that is structurally separate from other areas

Under the revised Regulation, workers in the hospitality industry have the right to choose whether to enter a designated smoking room and may not be discriminated against for choosing not to enter a designated smoking room. Where workers do choose to enter the designated smoking room, the Regulation requires there be only intermittent exposure – not to exceed 20% of their work period.

What options are available for an employer who chooses to allow smoking at the workplace?

There are a number of ways hospitality employers can comply with the ETS requirements to manage workers' exposure. Smoking can occur in:

A separately ventilated, structurally separated room which workers may choose to enter for a period of time not to exceed 20% of their work period. Entry must be intermittent.
Patios or outdoor areas that have free movement of air. This usually means an area with a floor, a roof, and obstructions on no more than two sides. Adjacent buildings and objects must be taken into consideration. Smoke should not enter the indoor work area. Employers are responsible for demonstrating that ETS does not accumulate.

That's the most recent version of it; the original was passed back in 98.

[Ron]

Smoking is also prohibited on most airlines.
Do we really need a nervous pilot, dying for a smoke at the helm of a plane carrying hundreds of people?