A Lady by the name of...

[clocker]

Let's just see the lib press go toe-to-toe with Mom, the VP candidate.

The "lib press"...why not the conservative press?
Since when have pregnant, unmarried 17 year olds become poster children for "family values"?

Oh, that's right...she's not poor or black.

[j2k4]

Let's just see the lib press go toe-to-toe with Mom, the VP candidate.

The "lib press"...why not the conservative press?
Since when have pregnant, unmarried 17 year olds become poster children for "family values"?

Oh, that's right...she's not poor or black.

The conservative press will be circumspect, as I said.

As to "poor or black", we'll have to wait until one of them is nominated, I guess.

Obama's already said his girls would have an abortion, rather than suffer for a "mistake".

His words, not mine.

[devilsadvocate]

Aired?

Bullshit.

Managed would be the word you're looking for.

You libs only yip this much when you've been jabbed stupid.
Managed??????? How and by who?

I mentioned McCain's close friendship with G Gordon Liddy in another thread. Is McCain for shooting federal agents in the head? Of course not, It's bullshit distractions to avoid talking issues.

Do you seriously propose to compare the two?

Liddy spouted for the CIA (to no avail) and then got caught doing a B & E.

Ayers went quite a bit further, I think you'll find.

It's not about comparing the crimes, it's about linking someone to the crimes when they have/had nothing to do with them.
Obama did not commit the acts or support the weather underground.
McCain did not commit liddy's crimes or agree with his call to shoot federal agents in the head.

Anyone that suggest we know nothing about Obama can't have been paying attention. We've had 18 months of in depth investigations, not just of Obama, but of his family, friends of his family, everyone he has met and those who have met people he met. We know how many times he goes to the toilet and how much the movement weighs and you complain about a couple of days of wondering who the hell this Palin woman is? Good God man.

Good God man:

Pray, how much does it weigh?

You're the first I've heard claiming to actually possess that knowledge, tho' I have heard he's been more constipated lately.

Obama is who/what he says he is, which is why I'm not voting for him.

You're fooling, right?

No

Palin has not been vetted and seeing as you started this thread about HER and not Obama, I am discussing her and the reaction to her nomination.

So I've noticed.

Whom have you been discussing it with, by the way.
Then why complain about bias for sticking to the subject person?

She has been introduced as a conservative reformer with impeccable ethics. So I think the cop thing needs looking into. This is something SHE may have done, not something someone she knows may have done.

It's being investigated, as we speak, by the Alaskan authorities and others.

I'm sure they'd welcome your help.

In her acceptance speech she stated she told congress thanks but no thanks to the bridge to nowhere. Turns out she pushed to get federal funds restored after congress blocked them and stated she closed the project because the state representatives were unable to procure the funds, leaving them short a few hundred million. Does that sound like a fiscal conservative fighting earmarks?

Yes, in fact it does.

Certain tactics work more quickly than others, truth.

You really don't understand that, do you.

The Bridge to Nowhere was a part of another bill; she was seeking to restore the "non-bridge" section, leaving the "bridge" to die of lack of funding, the state (infinitely wiser in refusing to fund it) being the only alternative, and therefore putting an end to it's consideration.

Sure, no really

When Obama proposed a windfall tax on the oil companies to pay for a fuel benefit or when the democrats proposed it to pay for alternative fuel research there was outrage from the republicans about wealth redistribution and accusations of socialism and Marxism. Palin actually did place a windfall tax on them and gave the money to Alaskan residents.

That kinda depends on what you call it.

Calling it by a different name doesn't change what it is.
Ffs, I normally find Wikipedia incredibly wanting in most circumstances, but it will work splendidly for this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_...nd_Corporation

Funded by state oil taxes to ensure the security of future generations of Alaskans, and administered by a semi-private corporation.

What is there for one such as yourself to complain about.

The double standard, I'm not holding my breath waiting for the republicans to accuse her of being a socialist champion of wealth redistribution

The religious right like her because she wants to ban abortion in all cases, no exceptions and she wants creationism taught in schools. She vetoed a same sex partner benefits bill as well (although apparently only because she was advised it may not be constitutional), So their issues are taken care of, apparently no further vetting is needed and no other issues matter.

This complaint always kills me.

Pray tell, what does the religious left have to say.

I dare say they don't like her for the same reasons.

We'll just have to wait and see how this all plays out.

She does have experience as Governor of Alaska, a mayor, and legislator, even as a small state, I'm sure the education obtained is relatively high, which truth be told is more than Obama can say, and he's running for the office itself. A community organizer and one-term state assemblyman, and what, 140 days in Congress before he started his campaign for president? Is he more qualified than McCain's second seater? At least she will have the luxury of learning at McCain's side in the event something happens to McCain. But he's healthy and will probably have no problems during a four-year term of office. And I think she and her husband have more real-life experience than Obama does, as well as Biden.

I could be wrong here but I read Skizo's post as meaning the governing learning process, not academic education. I don't agree with him mind you.

Yes, be perfectly clear; you wish to distance yourself from that dastardly conservative baby-eating bastard.

At the moment she accepted the nomination all I knew about her is what she said about herself and how the campaign described her. To date apart from her proclaimed stance on social/cultural issues I haven't seen much that matches the reported reality of her record.

That's 'cuz you only subscribe to liberal sources.

Now, if you quote this and start with the red type again, I quit.
Okay I'll use blue this time, I just can't place my finger on where I got the idea from.
Come up with something original.

Objection on principle, for example.

As far as I can tell Palin is not against contraception. It wouldn't be too much to imagine she is an abstinence only advocate, but it's unfair to say she is without confirmation. The pregnancy wouldn't help her case if she is.
@IdolEyes787

Although abortion may be wrong I guess they have no problem with sham weddings,loveless marriages and the inevitable divorcing of father Jethro.

Granted it's not the surest route to success, but it's possible that they made the choice themselves because they want to get married.

[IdolEyes787]

Entirely possible but I somehow feel responsible parents would be more against the union than for it.

They don't have to abort the fetus but neither do they need to rush to the altar.

In this day and age I would hope we are past the necessity of having to make an honest women of the girl.

[j2k4]

Aired?

Bullshit.

Managed would be the word you're looking for.

You libs only yip this much when you've been jabbed stupid.
Managed??????? How and by who?


Do you seriously propose to compare the two?

Liddy spouted for the CIA (to no avail) and then got caught doing a B & E.

Ayers went quite a bit further, I think you'll find.

It's not about comparing the crimes, it's about linking someone to the crimes when they have/had nothing to do with them.
Obama did not commit the acts or support the weather underground.
McCain did not commit liddy's crimes or agree with his call to shoot federal agents in the head.

Anyone that suggest we know nothing about Obama can't have been paying attention. We've had 18 months of in depth investigations, not just of Obama, but of his family, friends of his family, everyone he has met and those who have met people he met. We know how many times he goes to the toilet and how much the movement weighs and you complain about a couple of days of wondering who the hell this Palin woman is? Good God man.

Good God man:

Pray, how much does it weigh?

You're the first I've heard claiming to actually possess that knowledge, tho' I have heard he's been more constipated lately.

Obama is who/what he says he is, which is why I'm not voting for him.

You're fooling, right?

No

Palin has not been vetted and seeing as you started this thread about HER and not Obama, I am discussing her and the reaction to her nomination.

So I've noticed.

Whom have you been discussing it with, by the way.
Then why complain about bias for sticking to the subject person?

She has been introduced as a conservative reformer with impeccable ethics. So I think the cop thing needs looking into. This is something SHE may have done, not something someone she knows may have done.

It's being investigated, as we speak, by the Alaskan authorities and others.

I'm sure they'd welcome your help.

In her acceptance speech she stated she told congress thanks but no thanks to the bridge to nowhere. Turns out she pushed to get federal funds restored after congress blocked them and stated she closed the project because the state representatives were unable to procure the funds, leaving them short a few hundred million. Does that sound like a fiscal conservative fighting earmarks?

Yes, in fact it does.

Certain tactics work more quickly than others, truth.

You really don't understand that, do you.

The Bridge to Nowhere was a part of another bill; she was seeking to restore the "non-bridge" section, leaving the "bridge" to die of lack of funding, the state (infinitely wiser in refusing to fund it) being the only alternative, and therefore putting an end to it's consideration.

Sure, no really

When Obama proposed a windfall tax on the oil companies to pay for a fuel benefit or when the democrats proposed it to pay for alternative fuel research there was outrage from the republicans about wealth redistribution and accusations of socialism and Marxism. Palin actually did place a windfall tax on them and gave the money to Alaskan residents.

That kinda depends on what you call it.

Calling it by a different name doesn't change what it is.
Ffs, I normally find Wikipedia incredibly wanting in most circumstances, but it will work splendidly for this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_...nd_Corporation

Funded by state oil taxes to ensure the security of future generations of Alaskans, and administered by a semi-private corporation.

What is there for one such as yourself to complain about.

The double standard, I'm not holding my breath waiting for the republicans to accuse her of being a socialist champion of wealth redistribution

The religious right like her because she wants to ban abortion in all cases, no exceptions and she wants creationism taught in schools. She vetoed a same sex partner benefits bill as well (although apparently only because she was advised it may not be constitutional), So their issues are taken care of, apparently no further vetting is needed and no other issues matter.

This complaint always kills me.

Pray tell, what does the religious left have to say.

I dare say they don't like her for the same reasons.

We'll just have to wait and see how this all plays out.

She does have experience as Governor of Alaska, a mayor, and legislator, even as a small state, I'm sure the education obtained is relatively high, which truth be told is more than Obama can say, and he's running for the office itself. A community organizer and one-term state assemblyman, and what, 140 days in Congress before he started his campaign for president? Is he more qualified than McCain's second seater? At least she will have the luxury of learning at McCain's side in the event something happens to McCain. But he's healthy and will probably have no problems during a four-year term of office. And I think she and her husband have more real-life experience than Obama does, as well as Biden.

I could be wrong here but I read Skizo's post as meaning the governing learning process, not academic education. I don't agree with him mind you.

Yes, be perfectly clear; you wish to distance yourself from that dastardly conservative baby-eating bastard.

At the moment she accepted the nomination all I knew about her is what she said about herself and how the campaign described her. To date apart from her proclaimed stance on social/cultural issues I haven't seen much that matches the reported reality of her record.

That's 'cuz you only subscribe to liberal sources.

Now, if you quote this and start with the red type again, I quit.
Okay I'll use blue this time, I just can't place my finger on where I got the idea from.
Come up with something original.

Objection on principle, for example.

As far as I can tell Palin is not against contraception. It wouldn't be too much to imagine she is an abstinence only advocate, but it's unfair to say she is without confirmation. The pregnancy wouldn't help her case if she is.
@IdolEyes787

Although abortion may be wrong I guess they have no problem with sham weddings,loveless marriages and the inevitable divorcing of father Jethro.

Granted it's not the surest route to success, but it's possible that they made the choice themselves because they want to get married.

You and I are at an impasse.

Apropos of nothing, when do you think life begins?

[clocker]

The conservative press will be circumspect, as I said.

You didn't address the question...WHY would/should they be circumspect?
Clearly, abstinence was not in play, nor was marriage (at least not until the family shotgun- which Palin apparently knows how to use- was brought down)...so why NOW is circumspection the path to take?

And BTW...your comment about Chelsea is exactly the kind of response you attribute to the lib press re: Palin.
You have absolutely no basis whatsoever to speculate on what Chelsea Clinton might do, yet you assert without reservation that she would have an abortion and cover it up.

[devilsadvocate]

For me once the brain starts functioning with awareness.

[clocker]

I saw this post on another forum and it summed up my thoughts quite well...

I'm totally on board for "kids are off limits" but I'm going to need some help with this one because kids were apparently not entirely off limits for the past three days.

Kids were not off limits when Palin was happy to discuss her son joining the Army and going off to war in her first national speech.

Kids were not off limits when the campaign was touting her decision to have Trig and discuss his Down Syndrome as an example of her pro-life cred.

Today, however, kids are off limits.

Is there some sort of chart or cheat sheet that can help me sort out when it is okay to put the kids in the national spotlight and when it is not?

[devilsadvocate]

I personally don't see her daughter getting pregnant as an issue. I know it will be to some degree but IMO it shouldn't be. Clocker is right about how it would be treated if it were Chelsea.

Regarding that quote about boundaries, given the crap made about Michelle obama over being proud of her country will questions be raised about taking off republican hats and putting on American hats?

J2k4

just for laughs

11. Are you offended by the phrase “Under God” in the Pledge of Allegiance? Why or why not?

SP: Not on your life. If it was good enough for the founding fathers, its good enough for me and I’ll fight in defense of our Pledge of Allegiance.

http://eagleforumalaska.blogspot.com...candidate.html

[clocker]

Apparently, the Founding Fathers are highlanders.