Short Prison Term

[Ron]

Reminds me of an article I read last week or so.
A guy was sentenced to only two years after abusing the daughter of his girlfriend.
First time when she was eleven. She gave birth at twelve..
Second time she gave birth at thirteen or forteen.
He said he didn't know it was illegal......
This was in Holland btw, so there's no need to excuse yourself on behalf of a whole nation. It's everywhere.
We have some pretty disgusting pervs in Belgium too.
What stumps me is that the prosecutor got what he asked for....two and a half years, of which six months on probation.
Also it makes me wonder what kind of society we live in where an 11 year old can get pregnant/give birth without anyone asking questions. She ha to attend school, one would think......

Dutch article here.

[chalice]

Because their nature is not overtly violent these wretches become privileged in prison. To think that sending them to prison is a guarantee for corrective ambushes is wishful thinking. More often than not their case never makes the headlines and so the general populace never even get to know what they've got on their wing.

Because they are manipulative and macheivellian they are soon hoisted into low security holiday camps where they get off on parole every second weekend to do what ever abject deeds it is they do. Upon release they are relocated in a nice blank sheet somewhere in suburbia where they are pampered by bleeding hearts.
The public are constantly thwarted when they try to gain knowledge of their whereabouts and manacled with red tape.

When I say zero tolerance, I use the phrase to its superlative.
This growing tumor on society must be eradicated.
For this crime I don't think anyone deserves to live.

Yes, that may be a crusading kink I've got but I can sleep at night.

[Gemby!]

The system should change - i dont see if it matters that this person will NEVER reoffend the fact is they have done this crime and should be punished for it .
Also bigboab was right when he said the guy will probably get a shorter sentance when he is in there
i do hope he gets in touch with his feminine side while he is in thier though...

[Rat Faced]

Im quite liberal here.

Castrate 'em, then hand em over to a bunch of Ladies with blunt knives....im sure ive mentioned this before somewhere......

[Evil Gemini]

This is fucking bull shit. This ass hole goes to Jail for only 5 years and the bloke that made that blast virus goes to jail for 10 years ??

how fucked up in the ass is that.

[4play]

the judge who gave this sentence is being crucified in england. just about every newspaper is calling for his resignation.

there is a pertition going around as well to have this fella sacked and rightly so.

[j2k4]

If something like this is meant by the legal system to be considered RIGHT, what could possibly be considered WRONG?

Another opportunity to be disgusted.

[Biggles]

4play

I think you will find the judge in question is Scottish and has nothing to do with the English legal system.

I believe the judge in question sent someone down for life yesterday for a similar sort of thing. I may be wrong but I don't think this particular judge is known as a wishy washy liberal.

I am not going to comment on either sentences as I really don't know enough about what actually happened. The difficulty we have is that tabloid newspapers have over the last few years embarked on a crusade that is highly populist but somewhat weak on actually what needs to be done. The name and shame thing was a disaster with the wrong pictures and addresses resulting in innocent people fleeing from mobs.

By creating a huge moral panic they may in fact be endangering children's lives. The abuser taking the view "better dead than found in my bed".

However, the chances of actually having a rational debate about these issues with newspapers who on one hand rant about beasts and monsters and on the other print pictures of semi naked girls who are only 17 or 18 (in fact didn't one do a count down to a girl's 16th so they could legally show her naked) appear to be slim suggesting that we are going nowhere fast. (In the US they seem to have beauty pagents for toddlers - a concept which I find disturbing).

I would like to make it quite clear that I am making no case whatsoever on behalf of the individual who attacked the baby. His motivation and desires are utterly mysterious to me. My own recollections of when my kids were that age was that the contents of their nappies were never pleasant and to be avoided at all costs - (if I could come up with a plausible excuse so to do).

Human sexuality is, however, complicated and probably few people on this board waited until they were 16 to experiment (or whatever age is relevant in your own country). We cannot pretend that those under 16 do not have an interest in these matters. It does the debate no service to pretend otherwise.

The issues are being blurred and moral panics are ensuing over fairly innocuous liasons with say 17 year olds and 15 year olds. A 17 year old should not be placed on the sex offenders register because his girl friend is 15 (imho). We need to get a grip. There are those whose pleasure it is to abuse and hurt the vunerable (young and old). Clearly, it is those who are determined to attack and abuse for their own selfish pleasure that cannot be left to run loose in society. Some of these individuals are convinced that they are right to pursue this predatory lifestyle and will always be a danger. Hopefully the judge correctly identified that the individual before him was not one of those.

However, until we reach a stage where there is a climate where these individuals can safely say "I have a problem please help" we are not going to achieve much. The sheer scale of the task facing the police after one bust of one internet provider (still not even half way through three years later) whilst countless other providers have stepped in to rake in the profits, indicates the law and the judicial system do not have the resources to provide all the solutions. We need a change in the way we think and driving these people underground is not a good starting point.

I am sorry this has been so long. I don't claim to have all (or perhaps any) of the answers. I am also aware that some awful things have happened to children out there. I am just concerned that the whole debate is achieving little more than enough moral outrage to float the Hindenburg. I know this sounds idealistic, but our aim should be to achieve a society that both robust enough and sophisticated enough to understand, protect and care for all its members.

[j2k4]

Biggles-

I, for one, thank you for the length of your post.

Well done.

[sabbath]

Originally posted by neattairoski@10 September 2003 - 03:01
This is fucking bull shit. This ass hole goes to Jail for only 5 years and the bloke that made that blast virus goes to jail for 10 years ??

how fucked up in the ass is that.

I guess that in today's world f*ckin' Bill Gates up in the ass is much more serious than raping a young girl, wouldn't you agree? :x