Do you think FST should share IP's of Scammers/Cheaters/Sellers?

[Alien5]

this board makes money. money is made with advertisment and advertisment needs members who click and see it. the more members, the more money, very simple.

You brought it up so I felt the need to reply. This forum does not turn a profit. Never has.

well i think it should, Those ads don't pay for themselves you know.

[Skiz]

oh and why fst would give scammers ips to tracker staff while they allow them to restart their dishonnest acts with a new account ?

We don't "allow" them to. You would be amazed at how many users we collectively ban on a given day for that very offense. But keep in mind that we do not actively seek these members out. Most often they are discovered by committing further transgressions, or reported by another member.

We aren't a tracker and do not operate like one. Meaning, if we ban a member, we do so and move on. No staffer here has any interest and tracking banned members and holding vendettas to ensure a member doesn't make it back on the board. We try to enjoy the forum just like everyone else. Virtually everyone knows the motions one must go through to safely re-register an account and how simple it is to do so. There are steps we could implement to make that much more difficult, but that is not what we want our forum to become.

You wouldn't remember the old days here and the untold mission of this board, but we have always held true that we would never make changes to the forum that would destroy the basic enjoyability of the board.

There will always be someone out there trying to scam you, whether it be on this forum or in real life. The actions you take when trading are a risk which must be calculated by each member. If you get scammed, report it with proof and we'll ban them and move on. Hopefully the scammed member will move on as well. Lesson learned - Don't trade or use a Middleman.

[Sanka113]

Like stoi and others I dont think FST needs to maintain the highroad when it comes to how they deal with cheaters, scammers, and sellers.

Cheaters i think are the responsibility of the trackers (since they're the only ones that know if someone is cheating) so if retribution is to be handed down it needs to be instigated by the trackers, not FST.

Scammers, we'll there's always risk when you trade, so if one accepts the risk to trade in the first place, they should assume the risk of getting scammed.

Seller's are basically traders but they trade for good ol fashion money. If you're gonna allow trading of invites, rapidshare accounts, sexual favors and other stuff, then f' it allow them to throw money on the table too.

[stoi]

I used to get really pissed off with this place, with the traders WTAW etc etc, now i just say fuck it and enjoy FST for what i can make it, a discussion board about bittorrent (and other things).

I came up with the new WTO layout.

But it is not what i was hoping for.

I wanted it to take the place of both the WTO and WTAW as it has the number of invites in the list, does not take a genius to work out what is rare and what is not from that list alone, but the list is not just on rarity.

I also suggested that if you have a Com Rep, you can get 3 or 4 items from that list blanked out, so torrents, peers, seeders leechers if you want, or the ratings.

Both got knocked back. and was accused of getting 1 perk and not being happy with it and wanting even more.

The problem is that i can see is this.

The "We do not care what trackers want" "you get a perk, you are not getting anything more" attitude.

The WTAW and just what it stands for, the ones at the top dont want any tom dick or harry in, they have 1000-3000 members they feel they can trust, they dont want to be top of some list, and the ones at the bottom, are not worth being a member off, because they are just not Elite, but the ones at the bottom, are arguably better trackers than the ones at the top, doesnt make sense.

The Middleman, I know it is there to stop traders scamming each other, but as it is the Bittorrent Mods that are the middlemen, its like you are condoning trading and everything that goes with it, and protecting the traders, which are seen by many trackers, the scum of the bittorrent community, that is not my view, but i know it is of a lot of places.

So not only do you allow the practice of trading and giveaways, you actually protect those that are doing it, instead of letting them just get on with it.

And more importantly, you protect the traders, but you do not protect the trackers at all. Which i believe is the reason, or 1 off, that most trackers hate this place.

But i know nothing will come of this post, and FST is after all FST and does not have to answer to any tracker (I know, I have tried lol), but to me, there must be some middle ground somewhere, well there doesnt have to be, but it would be nice if there was.

and sorry but what Detale is suggesting here, I just cant see the point of, trackers are not stupid, they get info in a lot of ways, if they want someone, they will get them, eventually, with or without the help of FST.

[Alien5]

The WTAW - look at the ones at the top, they want to be as private as possible. if the ones at the bottom closed invites, stopped signups, went underground then maybe they would be harder to find, rare.


tracker A: openly gives invites away for free everyday.

tracker B: is odd, unusual, hard to find.


tracker B must be worth more even though you haven't used either of them yet.

[stoi]

Not really sure what you are saying, even if TL went underground, stopped invites, and signups, they still would not get higher than lvl4 because of the amount of members they already have.

But trackers at the bottom do not want to get to the top of that list, because it will kill their trackers, to get to the top you need less than 5,000 members, i would hate to see us go from 30,000 to 5,000 thats for sure.

I do think you missed my point though, the ones at the top do not want to be at the top, and the ones at the bottom, do not want to be at the top, but invariably the ones at the bottom, are shite and you can do what you want there, the ones at the top you have to sell your mother, and once your in respect the rules or else (well if you traded to get in you already broke a rule before you were even a member).

[Alien5]

if TL went underground...

yes exactly but if they wanted to they could close down or begin a site for vips only, and design it from scratch, it would be rare from day 1 just like the rare trackers you see at the top, they were never huge/open like TL they were always small/hidden/closed.

you say: the ones at the top do not want to be at the top. and the ones at the bottom, do not want to be at the top.

i dont know what they want, i think they should be allowed to have their site removed from the thread if they wanted to though.

The WTAW Thread doesn't really help me, ive read it once or twice, but i made my own mind up, its just some other peoples opinions, everyone has their own favorite sites.

[stoi]

OK they are small hidden closed, yet they are at the top of a list in a public forum for all to see, i am pretty sure they did not have that in mind when they decided to remain small, hidden, obscure, out of reach for most.

The fact is, the WTAW is there to help traders again, so you dont get people offering a UK-T invite for a TL invite.

But my point is, if both parties need to get in those 2 trackers, then who is saying they cant, or why is it wrong that they want to exchange those 2, all they are is 2 trackers, 1 is not worth any more than the other, so if you allow trading anyway, where is the harm in what they trade, surely its up to them to know what they want, and how they do it, not for a thread to dictate, what you can/can not get for such and such an invite, its only an invite for christ sake.

[Alien5]

stoi: yet they are at the top of a list in a public forum for all to see...
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Thats where the rarity value lost - the site is no longer rare and falls into the popular Clearance bucket bracket along with your TL's and BS's.

maybe they should change the WTAW thread to "its only an invite for christs sake" - IOAIFCS

i agree, nobody should tell anyone else what they can or cant get for any invite, whoever is saying they cant is wrong, Tell them i said so.

I just read the top of the WTAW list stoi:

THIS LIST SHOULD NOT BE TAKEN LITERALLY.

[stoi]

1 more thing about the WTAW and then i am going to shut up about it (i think lol)

They may not allow selling on here, which is one of the good things they actually do, but that thread does dictate how much people can get for invites on Ebay etc.

when we were lvl 2, it was about $8 for an invite, we went up to lvl 4 it went up to $160 for an invite, lvl 9 and 10 go for $750+ for an invite.

Now FSt can say till they are blue in the face, that its not their fault, but it is dictated by that thread, whether they like it or not.