Shame on you and god damn you!

[Brenya]

stop assassinating so hamas stop's rocketing and once rocketing is stopped crossing will be opened ergo peace.

In their covenant they claim that they want to recapture and create a Palestinian Islamic state out of Israel, the West Bank, and the Gaza Strip. Hamas isn't retaliating. They are the aggressor.

But of course they try their hardest not to appear that way. Typical politics - hide the facts, distort the appearance. BaWa, they have you to thank for that.

The fact that they were democratically elected does not make them any less brutish or radical. They are an Islamic militant group first and foremost, and we find their aggressions intolerable.

They claim to oppose Israel for political reasons, but their Islamic fascism compels any rational observer to see them for what they are: religious extremists bent on world domination:

Under the wing of Islam, it is possible for the followers of the three religions - Islam, Christianity and Judaism - to coexist in peace and quiet with each other. Peace and quiet would not be possible except under the wing of Islam.

[Barbarossa]

I find intolerance intolerable

the object of intolerance is implied to be something morally wrong. when the object of intolerance is intolerance itself, the implication is that the person whose intolerance you object to is morally unjustified for his intolerance. and since your own intolerance (of that person's unjustified intolerance) is morally justified, then you shouldn't find your own intolerance intolerable because you really don't find all forms of intolerance intolerable. you just find the forms of intolerance that are morally unjustified intolerable.

hit? miss?

Brilliant

You're not related to Snee at all are you

The propaganda war is pointless in this case. No one knows exactly what is going on, since no one is actually there.

There are some people there, I saw it on the telly.

[lynx]

B/c it's tried cease fires time and time again and Hamas doesn't hold up their end of the deal.

Look, I'm not biased either way, but Hamas brings these problems upon themselves.

Stop the rocket attacks and Israel will back down. Plain and simple.

Actually, that's not factually correct.

If the current Israeli onslaught is successful then Gaza will be driven back into the hands of Fatah, and it is Fatah (under Arafat) that for years has made and broken ceasefire after ceasefire.

Hamas had made only one ceasefire and they stuck to it, except in response to Israeli assassination squads. All that was in spite of agreements over payments to the Palestinian Authority being broken by Israel, and the almost complete blockade of Gaza. The result of those tactics meant that the Palestinian security forces (among others) were not being paid, yet Israel complains that those same security forces have allowed the rockets to be fired.

If you were to deliberately set out to force the other side into breaking a ceasefire this is almost exactly what you would do. Coincidence?

[bigboab]

B/c it's tried cease fires time and time again and Hamas doesn't hold up their end of the deal.

Look, I'm not biased either way, but Hamas brings these problems upon themselves.

Stop the rocket attacks and Israel will back down. Plain and simple.

Actually, that's not factually correct.

If the current Israeli onslaught is successful then Gaza will be driven back into the hands of Fatah, and it is Fatah (under Arafat) that for years has made and broken ceasefire after ceasefire.

Hamas had made only one ceasefire and they stuck to it, except in response to Israeli assassination squads. All that was in spite of agreements over payments to the Palestinian Authority being broken by Israel, and the almost complete blockade of Gaza. The result of those tactics meant that the Palestinian security forces (among others) were not being paid, yet Israel complains that those same security forces have allowed the rockets to be fired.

If you were to deliberately set out to force the other side into breaking a ceasefire this is almost exactly what you would do. Coincidence?

See what you have done? The debate has stopped. You just can't go around introducing the truth into these discussions.

[tralalala]

^Hardly, I just can't really be arsed to repeat myself time and time again.


Simple put, this particular problem can be solved if Hammas stop the rocketing, hand back Gilad Shalit, and quit bitching about how shit we are, since all of their water, fuel and most of their food comes from Israel.

It's just a matter of "who goes first" if you know what I mean, and knowing the temper in this region, it's not going to be either side

[bigboab]

I can put my big wooden spoon back in the drawer then?

[The Flying Cow]

Last time I checked BBC they said the headcount of dead Palestinians was at 650 and the Israelis was at 13 (and that was a couple days ago).

I would venture a guess the Palestinians might have taken it hard enough?

What is currently happening in the Levant is ethnic cleansing. It's a war crime. Hague-court-type shite.

If I see an Israeli I'll punch his face.

You lot should be ashamed. I'm looking at you too tralalala. I can't see what you're defending here.

[bigboab]

Don't trouble yourself Rafi. How can anyone take someone with his chopper in his hand seriously.

This is a post for discussion about the crisis in Gaza(On subject) not for threatening people.

[pentomato]

Don't trouble yourself Rafi. How can anyone take someone with his chopper in his hand seriously.

This is a post for discussion about the crisis in Gaza(On subject) not for threatening people.

The so called crisis in Gaza, is Hamas fault, they have a way to make the jews the guilty one's, well if Hamas was serious in any fight, they wouldn't fight in crowded places were the civilians are, wait I forgot they don't care, they are a terrorist group, they just want to destroy israel.
Israel only has one thing to do, detonate a nuclear bomb and kill those bastards, they will blow theirselves anyway.
Palestinians could rise against Hamas, but if they do, Hamas kills them like always do, that's why the take weapons away from people that do not simpatize with them.

[lynx]

Don't trouble yourself Rafi. How can anyone take someone with his chopper in his hand seriously.

This is a post for discussion about the crisis in Gaza(On subject) not for threatening people.

The so called crisis in Gaza, is Hamas fault, they have a way to make the jews the guilty one's, well if Hamas was serious in any fight, they wouldn't fight in crowded places were the civilians are, wait I forgot they don't care, they are a terrorist group, they just want to destroy israel.
Israel only has one thing to do, detonate a nuclear bomb and kill those bastards, they will blow theirselves anyway.
Palestinians could rise against Hamas, but if they do, Hamas kills them like always do, that's why the take weapons away from people that do not simpatize with them.

Seeing that the strip has the highest population density in the world, in order to be nowhere near civilian populations Hamas would have to get out of Gaza completely.

Of course Hamas could get out of Gaza (well, actually, at the moment they couldn't) but on the other hand you could say that Israel could pack up and move somewhere else. As an argument it has about as much merit.