former traders

[IdolEyes787]

I for one don't buy that argument.
I'm not making any judgment on the morality of certain activities but I firmly believe that those that cheat at the trivial are much likelier to also do so when it matters.

Now how would you feel if someone said that you were scum in real life just because you behave so in the e-life.

Internet life and RL are two separate worlds. It doesn't mean that just because someone behaves a certain way in here, that they most liekly will do so in real life. Your theory doesn't drink water especially when it comes to begginers who have no idea what they are causing by doing what they do.

Firstly I went out my way specifically to say that I wasn't labeling anyone as "scum " .
That said your argument didn't sway my opnion at all .I am unlikely to put my complete trust in anyone who say for a real life example cheats me at cards.Friendly game or not.
And while cyberspace may indeed not be "real" actions there can have very significant real world consequences so personally at least morally I fail to make the differentiation.But I guess whatever helps you sleep at night.

The phrase is "doesn't hold water" btw

[Polarbear]

someone who misuses the anonymity and namelessness of the internet to betray, cheat and scam is most likey anti-social in real life too.

there are studies dealing with the psychology of internet behaviour that prove this. the inhibition threshold is just lower, because the identities are unkown. there's no concrete victim.

it's different with flaming, insults or sexual behaviour. the mind of those can be totally different in real life. they play a role on the internet, are often shy, introverted and have a lack of social skills in real life.

so the theory of the conscious cheater who is a friendly nice guy in real life is wrong.

there are also studies about cultural, ethnical and sociological influences on internet behaviour. the country of origin and even religion does play a major role how people behave on the internet.

people in western democracies have a different understanding of social behaviour than somebody who lives in an islamic dictatorship or in a poor part of the former soviet union. socio-economic differences play a major role how people behave online.

if it comes to invites (and that's what the trust here is mainly about), i'd rather trust someone who's never traded before than some ex tarder who claims he's stopped now and all.

everybody who's new here can learn that trading is bad and frowned upon. people are warned and adviced all the time. it's in every tracker's rules. it isn't something that some n00b can easily overlook.

still people come here and create accounts just to make their first post in the tarding section after one month.

if you choose to trade, don't come crying when you realise that i didn't work out. don't ask for respect when you got all you want by trading which others earned with patience and trust.

there are people who repect site rules and there are the ones who break them. there are no good or bad cheaters. there are no good or bad traders.

an ex-trader has a stigma, if he likes it or not.

those veteran or ex-traders who realise they can't change their past and want to be a part of the communities now which they didn't give a shit about just months ago simply annoy me.

nobody likes traders in the private bittorrent community. sorry if you noticed this too late.

[puckface]

those veteran or ex-traders who realise they can't change their past and want to be a part of the communities now which they didn't give a shit about just months ago simply annoy me.

and arrogant people annoy me, but that's off topic.

[Polarbear]

those veteran or ex-traders who realise they can't change their past and want to be a part of the communities now which they didn't give a shit about just months ago simply annoy me.

and arrogant people annoy me, but that's off topic.

i hardly believe that it was arrogance that made me get everything for free what you had to "pay" for.

but i can understand your frustration. once a tarder always a tarder. those people who chose not to break tracker rules from the beginning are so arrogant and mean.

if you at least distanced yourself from the mistakes you've made and help people to find the right way. no, you are still the proud trader, that nobody caught. more clever than any tracker staff. you still support trading and give tips wherever you can, jealous of people who simply didn't have to trade and hide. jealous of people who use the same name on every tracker.

you are just one of those "i got them all so i stopped" tarders that is still active on fst, because it's the only place where you don't have to hide your identity. post in any tracker forum that you got most of your trackers with trades and see how people will react.

you can't turn back time, so your only option is to be the proud ex-tarder that regrets nothing he did.

i can understand your frustration. really.

[SoulEdge01]

Putting aside what I said in my previous post, I have nothing against traders or ex-traders but I do think that trading is a bad practice not only for the trackers but for the trader itself it is even worse in the long run.

[puckface]

and arrogant people annoy me, but that's off topic.

i hardly believe that it was arrogance that made me get everything for free what you had to "pay" for.

but i can understand your frustration. once a tarder always a tarder. those people who chose not to break tracker rules from the beginning are so arrogant and mean.

if you at least distanced yourself from the mistakes you've made and help people to find the right way. no, you are still the proud trader, that nobody caught. more clever than any tracker staff. you still support trading and give tips wherever you can, jealous of people who simply didn't have to trade and hide. jealous of people who use the same name on every tracker.

you are just one of those "i got them all so i stopped" tarders that is still active on fst, because it's the only place where you don't have to hide your identity. post in any tracker forum that you got most of your trackers with trades and see how people will react.

you can't turn back time, so your only option is to be the proud ex-tarder that regrets nothing he did.

i can understand your frustration. really.

wasn't singling (sp?) you out. please step back.

but to answer your hypothetical, I use exactly the same name on every tracker. The reason my name here is different than on trackers is that when I joined here I didnt have ANY trackers and it was hockey season and I was in a drunken stupor when I signed up. Then I realized it was a stupid name (no excuse I know, but Im not looking for one)

Also, I in no way have every tracker I wish to be on. I haven't traded recently (or maybe I have) because the opportunity has not arose and also people offer me invites to places so I do not need to. I am not ashamed of my past, and I like to be helpful to people who are also not ashamed, any advice I can give people about trading or about anything else I feel is helping them out. I like to help people.

Also, I couldnt care less of what people think about me or what I have done.. online or in real life.

Last point, many sites I am on I have been invited by people on staff and they know exactly who I am here and on other forums. Maybe Im the exception, but whatever.

Good day sir.

[SoulEdge01]

Yeah, if anybody was a trader or is, it is because they choose to, some know what consequences it can have and some not.

[Albo Da Kid]

someone who misuses the anonymity and namelessness of the internet to betray, cheat and scam is most likey anti-social in real life too.

Not in all cases. Some think quick and some don't think at all before breaking the rules. They might look at this as being just as a "virtual world" which shouldn't acquire much use of their personal behavior traits.
As you explained in your later paragraphs how ethnicity and culture can influence behavior on the internet and real life of a person, there are also variable characteristics which can influence a person at a certain given time and moment. We can never know what causes someone to take certain paths at certain situations. it's similar to a mouse in the labyrinth. The mouse takes whichever path thathis brain thinks up on at that short amount of time.

there are studies dealing with the psychology of internet behaviour that prove this. the inhibition threshold is just lower, because the identities are unkown. there's no concrete victim.

it's different with flaming, insults or sexual behaviour. the mind of those can be totally different in real life. they play a role on the internet, are often shy, introverted and have a lack of social skills in real life.

so the theory of the conscious cheater who is a friendly nice guy in real life is wrong.

there are also studies about cultural, ethnical and sociological influences on internet behaviour. the country of origin and even religion does play a major role how people behave on the internet.

people in western democracies have a different understanding of social behaviour than somebody who lives in an islamic dictatorship or in a poor part of the former soviet union. socio-economic differences play a major role how people behave online.

Studies are often based on one theory. These studies are similar to a controlled experiment which is made up of: a reasonable hypothesis, the variables and the conclusion. They only tackle one point of view and come up with a conclusion which they think is reasonable for the majority variety of people to comprehend. An individual should take into consideration some other facts and observations when overlooking such a subject.
For example a regular person can react different to the RL and e-life. When he is in the workplace or school he is a funny, slick, swift, outgoing and capable kind of guy, and once he gets in his pc, his behavior can change dramatically. He takes on a new role. A less demanding one. A role which allows him to let himself go.He can look at situation and decide to react totally unpredictable just for the sake of it. Maybe to get a few laughs or to make a point etc.... But he just has fun doing it. And when he leaves the pc, he goes back to his regular behavior.
It is not determined in most cases that someone who chooses to look or act a certain way, is really the person that he shows himself to be.
Please don't take these studies too seriously. An individual should have his own opinion and create his own ideas to come up with a conclusion.

if it comes to invites (and that's what the trust here is mainly about), i'd rather trust someone who's never traded before than some ex tarder who claims he's stopped now and all.

everybody who's new here can learn that trading is bad and frowned upon. people are warned and adviced all the time. it's in every tracker's rules. it isn't something that some n00b can easily overlook.

I would like to invite everyone regardless if they are a trader or not, because I know how it feels NOT to have a tracker and to want something. I'v been there.
You say that a noob can easy overlook this trading issue, but I'd like to say a lot of us are overlooking it. Trading is not the real issue here. I will take you back now to why trading is "bad" in the first place(according to tracker staff).
Most trackers survive of donations. Believe it or not a lot off trackers like sct,bitmetv and btmusic profit from prohibiting trading and I will explain why.

Sct and bitmetv make money of selling invites and GB upload bonuses. It wouldn't benefit sct to allow trading because why would they want someone to trade their account to get another member in sct. They would rather want you paying 20Euros to invite your friend in, rather than exchanging accounts with him. The same goes for bitmeTV and lots of other trackers.

Another example is btmusic. Btmusic sells accounts straight up to anyone. They try to sell lots of accounts. How can they double their profit?? What excuse can they use to make someone pay twice for an account?? Well the trading excuse seems logical. They disable you for trading and they know you will pay up again for another account. This way they take twice as much from you. And if you are stupid enough to get caught than three times as much money is being wasted.
So basically btmusic tries to dissable as many accounts as they can to make lots of profit. I'm asking this again...What is the best excuse to disable someone????.......TRADING and cheating.

Now let me show you who is worse Traders or COLLECTORS
Someone that collects takes up space and doesn't use the tracker. Someone who trades uses the tracker and helps with seeding etc. Builds up a buffer and passes it on to the next one who might settle with the account and use it.
Who is doing more damage to the tracker someone who is helping with seeding and using the tracker or someone who is just sitting there looking preety and not even helping wiht the peers.

If trackers didn't use the "trading" excuse as a tool to profit, then we wouldn't be calling people scum and liars and traders etc... We wouldn't be afraid to invite someone who trades his accounts to get in. Our worries would be directed at Collectors instead. We would be afraid to invite someone who doesn't use the site. Why do you think scl doesn't improve?? Besides their staff's bad choices, they let too many collectors sit there and they worry about traders and public giveaways instead

an ex-trader has a stigma, if he likes it or not.

That's bulls*it propoganda used to put someone down. Some users feel overmatched in a debate and their first defense is to point that out and make the crowd follow in. (crowd= a bunch of idiots in most of the cases)

nobody likes traders in the private bittorrent community. sorry if you noticed this too late.

Only the ones who cant see the angles, are the ones that don't like traders. I personally despise collectors.

[tangerine]

On people's behaviour on the internet and off it, I think "man is least himself when he talks in his own person, give him a mask and he'll tell you the truth". People in "real life" often are not as straight foward as they think they can be in a message board, protected by distance and a computer screen. Some of them (and I mean you too now, Albo) think they can judge people they know nothing about based on a single remark, and actually do so, saying whatever they feel like at a given moment 'cause they know there are no real consequences to their behaviour. They can just shut down their computers and walk away.

As the reason for this topic was not to discuss traders, I think former traders (if they really are former traders and not just saying that on their signature) are ok, if they are no longer trading and just want to get into the sites they need and maybe give something back once they have what they wanted. About collectors, I see how they are annoying - but somebody that trades an invite you gave them for personal benefit is no better. At least that's what I think.

I wouldn't say I'm a former trader, as I've never actually traded an invite. But when I first joined this site I thought it was all about trading, I thought the only way to get invites to the sites I wanted or with the stuff I needed, was trading for an invite to some other site. Then I kept reading this board and discovered that wasn't the only way, that people can give away and recieve without having to "pay" a price.

[stl]

is it still open?