Israel & Palestine

[J'Pol]

These people on the other hand see him as a facscist demagogue :

The LaRouchite Secret Elite Synthesis


Though often dismissed as a bizarre political cult, the LaRouche organization and its various front groups are a fascist movement whose pronouncements echo elements of Nazi ideology. Beginning in the 1970s, the LaRouchites combined populist antielitism with attacks on leftists, environmentalists, feminists, gay men and lesbians, and organized labor. They advocated a dictatorship in which a “humanist” elite would rule on behalf of industrial capitalists. They developed an idiosyncratic, coded variation on the Illuminati Freemason and Jewish banker conspiracy theories. Their views, though exotic, were internally consistent and rooted in right-wing populist traditions.

A former Trotskyist, Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr., founded the National Caucus of Labor Committees (NCLC) in 1968 as an offshoot of the radical student movement. But in the early 1970s, LaRouche engineered a political about-face, using cult pressure tactics to consolidate his grip over the NCLC and initiating a campaign of physical attacks on Communists and Black nationalists, which cut his followers off from the Left. The result was a fascist organization with some unique strengths: a dedicated, full-time cadre of several hundred members, a high proportion of intellectuals with advanced training, familiarity with leftist theory and organizing, and inside information about radical organizations and leaders

Full article and links

Once again I become concerned more about your political beliefs than your religious ones.

[Billy_Dean]

You are basing your posts on 8 year old articles from Lyndon Larouche's Intelligence Review ?

Again, READ the posts.

I can't give you links to info I use, you have to suscribe. I'll point you to some tho', you can Google plenty of info yourself if you find the right keywords.

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by Billy_Dean@28 September 2003 - 18:22

You are basing your posts on 8 year old articles from Lyndon Larouche's Intelligence Review ?

Again, READ the posts.

I can't give you links to info I use, you have to suscribe. I'll point you to some tho', you can Google plenty of info yourself if you find the right keywords.

See above, it is abundantly clear that I do read the posts.

I am now clear on what you are and the fact that you have described your self as anti-semitic.

[ilw]

not even a hint billy, if its not military or intelligence then surely it must be civil ?

French authorities revealed that the team was led by two highly trained retired professionals from the British Army's Special Air Services (SAS), its elite paratrooper and commando arm.

if there are ex-sas members who are members of greenpeace (there must be some) then of course they're going to be leading any action greenpeace takes. It would be stupid not to use them and i'm sure they're willing to get their hands dirty.

SAS has a special role derived from the fact that it operates outside the British government command structure, and is directly beholden to the Sovereign.

seems a touch misleading to me

SAS is the military arm of the WWF.

This is the point where i started laughing and only skim read the rest of the article
As far as i can tell,
1st section: funny
2nd section: there to lend credibility to the article
3rd section: conspiracy theory
4th section: A strange mix, I reckon some of thats true, but i also reckon some of its not
etc

[J'Pol]

Here's another good one.

ByMatthew Robinson
Editor in Chief

Students are drawn to the LaRouche table on campus by political discussion.
Photo by Matthew Robinson

Each semester, hundreds of students pass by a table set up in front of the D building in the quad, where supporters of Lyndon LaRouche try to interest students in their political agenda. For those who stop and agree to go to an off- campus meeting, they often find themselves entangled in a worldwide cult.
Philip Mullendore, chief of campus police, reported that they get complaints on regular basis from students about La Rouche recruits harassing them in the quad. Others complain of repeated phone calls, urging them to attend a meeting. Many students who attend those meetings end up dropping out of school and devoting their lives to LaRouche.

"We have documented several incidents of aggressive tactics by this group and we monitor them very closely," said Mullendore.

The mother of an 18-year-old student who was lured into the cult complained to campus police that the LaRouche group had taken over her son's life.

The LaRouche organization, which has thousands of members worldwide, are constantly recruiting young people to spread the groups philosophy and to raise money for the cause.

The group targets maladjusted, unhappy and confused young people who feel they don't belong. The organizers become their "friends" and give them a cause. They also give them meetings to attend so they feel a part of a group.

One PCC student, who recently broke the group's hold on his life, told the Courier in an exclusive interview about his experiences in the LaRouche organization from his recruitment on campus to his recent escape. The student, who will be referred to as Tom in the story, did not want his real name used. He said it's hard enough trying to "reclaim your life and friends" without everyone knowing you are a former cult member.

"I was going to PCC, and I was at the end of my second semester. In September of last year, I came across the LaRouche table in the quad. "Take a minute come over here." said an organizer as I passed his table. At first they say things that get you really excited about what they are talking about. They look for people like me who are pissed off and want to do something. They want people who are opinionated and who are looking for a place to fit in," said Tom, the 18-year-old who spent a year in the organization.

When I approached the table in quad, the woman I met said she had been recruiting for seven years. She started out by saying

"School is a bunch of bullshit and you should join the movement fulltime." While not all recruits say things like that, it is encouraged in order to make a connection with the young people.

"The thing that grabbed me was that she said, "School is a bunch of bullshit." He said I thought it was real interesting that there was a group of people at PCC at a political table telling students that school is bullshit," Tom said when he stopped to talk politics, he was looking for something other than the mainstream political thinkers. They got me to sign up for their paper, and I gave them some money. Then they said to come to a meeting, and I took a bunch of literature home." From what he read, he said it appeared that this group might just have the answers to all the worlds problems. "Then the phone calls started coming," he said.

"That's what they do. They call you every night, sometimes two times a night. If the people they are trying to recruit are being difficult, they harass them even more."

Tom said, it was not hard to get him to a meeting. He went and immediately started arguing with everything the members were saying. "Little did I know, that the more I argued the more they were brainwashing me," Tom said. He said the meetings seemed harmless. They were broken up into two parts. The first part was a political update, and the second part was a class where new recruits might hear about a health issue or be given a history lesson on the revolutionary war. However at the end of the class, they tie it all in to the current situation, and then to LaRouche politics."

One of the reasons there is so much recruitment now, is that the last time the organization recruited heavily was between 1967 through 1974, so most of the core members of the organization are in their 50s ."They need to recruit the next generation," said Tom.

Once you start listening, you'll hear over and over that LaRouche is the solution to every problem in the world. They'll ask, "Do you want children in Africa to starve?" Of course you don't, so they convince you that you have to come to a meeting. They repeatedly tell you if you don't come to the meeting, you must want the world to starve. So you go to the meeting," he said.

One of the hallmarks of the LaRouche organization is to turn you against your family, Tom said. They tell you that "family values are really immoral, they are only in place to keep you from getting political. They say that the baby-boomers are evil and are corrupted by the British neo-liberal banking establishment, but it's not their fault.

"The more you are around these people, the more they turn you against your parents and your friends. "They want you to try and recruit your friends. "What they tell you if your friends resist is they are" blocked," and you should just leave them behind. They are not worth it. They ask what's more important, your friends or the world?" Soon you see yourself as someone who can actually change the world and you really do see your friends and family as obstacles.

Tom moved out of his parent's house and moved to Glendale. The organization paid his rent, phone bill, and all his utilities. He also got $50 a week for food.

Once you alienate your family and let the group support you, you've got nowhere else to go, Tom said.

By this time Tom was really involved. It was his turn to bring in others.

"Another big thing I know happens on the PCC campus, is to get a student off the campus and to a meeting. Then the next day they have them working at a LaRouche table. It helps reinforce the beliefs, and gets the new recruit to more meetings." These meetings are the most important things in the world to the group. They say there is nothing better you can do with your time because that is where they manipulate you and teach you to manipulate others, he said.

Some of the people, who were recruited on campus, are now at the book table. The idea is that once you are in a position where you have to convince someone that LaRouche is the answer, in the process you convince yourself more and more." Tom said, they teach people to twist things in such a way that it makes them feel stupid for asking the question.

"I resisted working on campus for a long time. I did not want to go work a book table, but they finally got me out there. Soon as they got me out there, I was in!"

"My recruitment took about four months. "Although some people dropped out of school right away and joined in a matter of weeks."

Many students who become part of the organization never break away. "It is next to impossible to get out once they have you, Tom said. "They actually brainwash you."

"I cannot pinpoint when I was brainwashed, it just happened overtime. When you are there, you love it. It's like being high. You get an intellectual euphoria, because you feel in a position of ultimate power. You can prove anyone wrong on anything because you are equipped with these amazing manipulation techniques. You feel like you have the weight of the world on your shoulders and that you alone are saving it.

Everyday they reinforce what you are doing by always telling you that you are the best and you're doing a great job. You get the respect of people many times older than you. It's a high that blinds you to reality. What they do is feed your ego so much, you can't see anything else. It's comfortable; it's like a womb."

The organization has attracted the attention of the FBI, CIA and other government agencies. Because of the claims that members are brainwashed and forced to work for the group, the LaRouche organization is closely monitored.

"It is frightening the network they have as far as intelligence contacts. Contacts within governments, contacts within different news sources. Even people who oppose LaRouche say he has one of the best private intelligence agencies around, said Tom

He emphasized that LaRouche is not particularly dangerous on a worldwide level, "but on a personal level, such as manipulating your thoughts and your psyche, he is lethal,"

The student explained that "on any given week coming to PCC we could get three or four students to a meeting, and maybe one every two weeks would come and work a table with us."

"We have 20 youth organizers, and three or four came from PCC. That's a pretty big percentage considering they organize on 20-30 college campuses."

He said any student who goes to the table, shows any kind of interest, and gives them a phone number is guaranteed to get a lot of phone calls."

PCC is one of the prime locations to recruit along with Cal State Northridge and LACC.

Tom explained what finally got him to realize he was in a cult.

One day right after Sept.11, "I had a confrontation with a WWII veteran, and that conversation just about killed me. I put up a sign that said, "War doesn't make peace." He came up to me and said, "If you were a veteran, you would not put that sign up. Then he started to talk to me, and I just realized that I am fucking brainwashed and totally in a cult." It was at that point he started to think about how he was now thinking about the world. Leaders of the group told them not to watch TV news, particularly CNN. They said the WTC attacks "were just the governments way of taking the people's mind off the economy."

"On the following Sunday I did exactly what the organization told me what not to do. I watched CNN."

I realized then that I was not looking at this the right way at all. The organization was trying to take the deaths of 6000 people to boost LaRouche higher up on his pedestal and get more money."

"That night I called my parents and told them I wanted them to show up at my apartment with a moving van.

" I had to be gone before they knew I was going He said the big challenge in leaving is getting back your identity and coming in contact with all the friends you haven't called in months because you were told they were fascists." Tom is also receiving psychotherapy from a cult exit counselor.

"LaRouche is a big time cult, and it's really upsetting that a cult is legally able to recruit on a college campus as a non-profit political organization."

Tom warns everyone, not to try to challenge the group to prove they are wrong or that they are in a cult. Recruiters welcome these challenges and can turn these people around faster than anyone."

If you want to understand LaRouche, or how any cult works, read George Orwell's 1984. It's terrifying how much that book is LaRouche. Of course, the organization discourages members from reading the book."

"If you want to find out about LaRouche, do not talk to the people inside the organization. The ones you need to talk to are the people who have experienced LaRouche and have dealt with his organization before. People who have studied the organization for an extended period of time are the ones who can give current information. For example, if you want to find out about a movie, you don't ask the people who made the movie what they think about it.

Tom says his mission now is to educate students about the evils of the LaRouche group and the dangers of approaching a table. "I'm trying to redeem myself for recruiting students and ripping off little old ladies while I was with LaRouche," said Tom. Some older people donate their entire Social Security check to the cause hoping to make a difference in the world. "If I can get the word out and stop people from heading over to the tables then I've done my job. If I can save one student, then I've succeeded in my atonement."

Andrew Campa contributed to this article.

[Billy_Dean]

I'm sure you have a point here JP, then again, maybe you don't.

How about this ..

"This is also a book about God...or perhaps about the absence of God. The word God fills these pages. Hawking embarks on a quest to answer Einstein's famous question about whether God had any choice in creating the universe. Hawking is attempting, as he explicitly states, to understand the mind of God. And this makes all the more unexpected the conclusion of the effort, at least so far: a universe with no edge in space, no beginning or end of time, and nothing for a creator to do."

Is this any less relevant than posting anti-LaRouche propaganda?

What does it have to do with anything?

Edit:

Here's another good one.

Maybe this is a clue?

[Billy_Dean]

But just to show you that two can play your silly game ...

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Who Is Lying About Lyndon LaRouche?
March 14, 2002


Mar 14, 2002 - There's a new operation afoot targetting U.S. Democratic Presidential pre-candidate Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr. Agents are being deployed to slander LaRouche and harass you from collaborating with him. You've seen and heard them. They say things like LaRouche is a leader of a cult, or that he is anti-semitic, or some other vile epithet. Invariably, those repeating these lies, when challenged, can never back up what they say.
Don't be fooled by these rumors and lies. Get the facts and learn the truth about the people spreading them.

These slanders all originate from a gestapo-style, thought police, operating under the banner of organizations such as the American Family Foundation (AFF) or the Anti-Defamation League (ADL). These organizations were created and financed by the highest levels of the Anglo-American financial oligarchy, through Foundations such as, the H. Smith Richardson Foundation, the Olin Foundation, the Scaife Foundation, and the Bodman and Achelis Foundation, which is run by John Irwin III, the grandson of super spook IBM founder Thomas "Pop" Watson. Through these Foundations, their associated law firms, and their operational arms like AFF and ADL, the families of the financial oligarchy exert control over politics in the U.S., through the top-down management of "approved" popular beliefs, and religions, just as the oligarchy of the Roman Empire, administered political control through the approved pantheon of pagan gods.

These very same Foundations which run the slander mill against LaRouche are behind what is, in fact, the most dangerous cult in the world today. A cult of utopian military lunatics, typified by Zbigniew Brzezinski, Samuel Huntington, Henry Kissinger, or the current Undersecretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz. These lunatics are the real masterminds behind the attacks of September 11. Watching their power crumble under the weight of the collapsing financial system, their aim is to drive the world into a racist global religious war, that Huntington calls a "Clash of Civilization". They are the ones who engineered the 9/11 attacks on New York and Washington, then concocted the Osama bin Laden hoax, sending the U.S. military off to fight the "Clash of Civilization", and diverting attention from their own culpability in an ongoing coup against the interests of the United States. This powerful and crazed utopian cult is the greatest real security threat to our nation.

They hate LaRouche and they attack him with slanders from people like Dennis King, a pro-drug plagiarist whose book attacking LaRouche was financed by the H. Smith Richardson Foundation, one of the major backers of Brzezinski and Huntington's drive for war. Or, they spread lies through the AFF, a so-called deprogramming cult made up professional kidnappers and mind control specialists, like Robert J. Lifton, Margaret Singer, and the late L. Jolyon West, all of whom were veterans of the CIA's notorious brainwashing program known as MK-ULTRA. Or, they rely on the ADL, an organization linked to organized crime, that has been caught illegally spying on American citizens, and is one of the chief apologists for the Nazi atrocities of Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and the utopian lunatics in the Israeli Defense Forces.

What has happened to the minds of your fellow citizens, that they have become blinded to a threat to their nation from such a powerful utopian cult? How have they become so mentally malleable, that they allowed the once productive agro-industrial U.S. economy to collapse, while running like a herd of lemmings, full tilt into such hoaxes as the now discredited "New Economy"?

From the 1940's launching of the "anti-authoritarian" doctrine by Nazi-lover Hannah Arendt, against the legacy of Franklin Roosevelt and Abraham Lincoln, through the gestapo-style terror of Trumanism and McCarthyism, to the 1960's launching of the rock-drug-sex counterculture, Americans have fled mentally away from being willing to face reality, and into the fantasy world of increasingly strange varieties of popular "religious" belief, that vary from fundamentalist religious movements, to New Age spiritualist cults, to the cult of "free trade", or the increasingly depraved types of mass entertainment and sports, that have become so popular. The varieties of lunacy are many, but they all have one thing in common -- they are popular because they are approved by the financial oligarchy. It is the management of these popular beliefs, for which the oligarchy created a thought police such as the AFF and the ADL.

That's who is spreading lies about LaRouche. You hear them repeated, often by people who don't know their source, but who would rather be overheard repeating these lies, because they think it will make them popular.

Don't believe the lies about LaRouche. Get the facts at, www.larouchein2004.com

[clocker]

Gee Billy, being "relevant" is somewhat of a problem for you this morning, isn't it?

After I pointed out that Arafat has gotten rich while exploiting his countrymen's misery, your response was...

Explain to me again how Bush got rich. And of course you've seen Arafats millions?

As JPaul continues to question the validity of your sources, you respond with some nonsense about Stephen Hawking.

Of course, your position remains unassailable as long as our sources are ignored or belittled whilst your are unquestionable, eh?

[J'Pol]

Would you be pointing us at a Larouche controlled website, to try to convince us that the things said about him are propaganda.

Do they mention the time he spent in prison, for mail fraud I believe. Served 5 of a 15 year term, is that right.

Or do they mention that his followers are taught how to infiltrate places where young disenfranchised people go, in order to recruit. Or that these people are taught manipulation techniques, to convince others to believe their opinions.

[J'Pol]

From a 1989 interview, when he had just started his prison sentence.


60 Greatest Conspiracies: You've described Carl Jung as a Nazi...
LaROUCHE: He was pro-Nazi. He was an occultist, satanic cultism. I don't know if he went as far as (Aleister) Crowley did in identifying Satan, but it was the same structure. Allen Dulles was very close to this crowd personally. As to what was going on in Allen's mind at this time I don't fully know. But then you get the MK-ULTRA operation.

60 Greatest Conspiracies: The mind control operation?

LaROUCHE: That was an Allen Dulles period operation which was run together with the occult types in British intelligence, such as Aldous Huxley. And also Gregory Bateson who creared, for example, the Grateful Dead out of an MK-ULTRA operation at the Palo Alto Veteran's Hospital where he was supervising. The first United States-grown rock group of that type, the Grateful Dead, was generated as a British intelligence operation by the Occult Bureau of Huxley and bateson out of the Palo Alto Veteran's Hospital where they were doing LSD and related experiments.

60 Greatest Conspiracies: Why would British intelligence want to put out a rock group?

LaROUCHE: Well, this is part of the Satanism business. Call it the counterculture. Call it the Dionysius model of the counterculture. Rock is essentially a revival of the ancient Dionysic, Bacchic rituals. Lots of people for long periods of time in that kind of particular rhythmic ritual which was probably struck upon empirically many thousands of years ago for this type of cult. It does have a relationship to the Alpha rhythms of the brain. It does produce these sorts of states. If combined with a little alcohol and more, shall we say, mood shaping substances, with youth, with funny sex, this does produce a profound change of a countercultural type.

Another word for it: New Age. the longer term: age of Aquarius. People were experimenting with various utopian models, constructing small groups experimentally which were considered New Age types. How to create experimental types that might survive the aftermath of a general nuclear war.

60 Greatest Conspiracies: Was this whole trend continued after Dulles' departure?

LaROUCHE: He was not the controlling factor. I wouldn't make him the evil black widow spider. He was part of it. The operation goes way back. But in the United States this particular operation goes to about 1938. The Nazis were operating in the 1930s out of Hollywood and elsewhere with an occult astrology racket kind of intelligence operation.

At that point the Huxley operation out there which is already established, the marijuana operation and so forth in the 1930s, was already hooked up. 1963 I would say was a watershed year for explosion of this thing, around the LSD, Beatles proliferation. And then you have another one in recent years where explicit Satanism has really exploded.