How would "You" get good members

[mamacita]

I'll stick my neck out and say I think a new staff group of solely recruiters is needed for many sites. This goes against much of what some sites are about, but i think it is the best way to get the potentially "good" members into sites. Le me explain:

If there is ever a way to discern what a person is about, its through interaction with that person in a similar environment. Thus, for example, i go to demonoid and other places where I myself started out and interact with people constantly keeping an eye out for the factors that I think make a good site user.

I do this, of course, only for the few sites that i consider myself a good active member of. Who am I to judge what a good user is for a tracker I'm not even active at?

so the trick lies in the picking of those recruiters for your site.

Dare I say that as an active staff member, one should know who would make a good recruiter, and who would not? I'm not talking about talking a certain user class and giving them invite privs, I'm talking about hand selecting a group of people to do the honors.

Make it a pseudo staff class.

But maybe also put a spur in their seats. If they invite x amount of what you discern as "bad users" they lose their privileges. But don't make it harsh enough that they are scared to invite. The idea is to get them to go out and do their research.

Task the team with maybe splitting up the torrent world into sectors. Recruiter A makes himself an integral part of tracker a & b, and recruits mainly from there. He/she picks a couple trackers and becomes active, thus ensuring a better perspective.

Give them a forum section too, where they can discuss potentials, and other staff can chime in at will.

I've been a huge proponent of this sort of recruitment and would love to see it tried out somewhere. Again, the hardest part is getting the right recruiters.

[stoi]

Like i said though, what is so good about PU/SPU basically higher classes.

10gig downloaded, 100 gig uploaded in their first 12 weeks, = SPU, then they do not touch the tracker for the next 100weeks, but they are still the higher class.

Just because they are a higher class does not mean they are a good member.

and again just because i wrote this, dont think i am just on about BCG but everywhere.

[mamacita]

just officially offer invites to BCG on other trackers' invite threads/forums (EX waffles, what, hdbits.org). access to these threads/forums is usually PU or higher so at least they're good there. i know this is something you haven't tried yet, but a lot of other trackers have tried lol. you should probably have strict requirements for some of the larger trackers like what.cd.

That doesn't work at all.

Who says a PU on any site is a good active member or judge of others? Just b/c they can afford a seedbox?

Stoi beat me to the punch. See my previous post for a better method.

[Polarbear]

we're dealing with thousands of anonymous people here. different age groups, different ethnic and cultural background, different wealth etc. all they have in common is internet access and a demand for free games.
it's extremely difficult next to impossible to make a preselection.

you'll always have a certain percentage of bad users. with such a large userbase there's no way to keep them out.

i'd rather make up my mind how to detect them and kick them more effectively.

take cheaters as an example. why is it that so many trackers have poor scripts against them or don't use any scripts at all?

until now oink is still unreached when it comes to that point.

same goes for hit and runners, ip changes etc.

if the statistics say that 90% of an ip range are bad users, blackhole filter it. period.

of course bad users can sneak back in with a new ip. but if they misbehave again, they'll be kicked again.

develope an fully automated, working seek and destroy system. this is the internet. the sociological approach doesn't work. technical solutions are successful.

[piratebot]

well, if they're invited thru another tracker, there's a better chance that they're unlikely to cheat/trade to avoid getting a bad rep. as for the inactivity thing, just have a system in place, but you already have that.

edit: whatever, it's better than OPEN sign-ups.

[mamacita]

well, if they're invited thru another tracker, there's a better chance that they're unlikely to cheat/trade to avoid getting a bad rep. as for the inactivity thing, just have a system in place, but you already have that.

edit: whatever, it's better than OPEN sign-ups.

Not at all. then you just get people who sign up at a site, become PU just so they can get an invite to site z.

[basilhaydens]

Torrent users need to stop stressing over this crap, because it hardly makes a difference. Just open signups and have a user limit and if you find users who really break rules, warn/ban.

You have 2 problems with that though.

Security for the members, anyone can sign up, jump on a torrent, get a list of IPs

Back to the sign up, hit and run, get banned, change IPs, new email, sign up, hit and run, get banned again rinse and repeat.

Also believe it or not, when we used to open, members would just sign up 20-250 times, so when we closed, they had accounts to trade/sell.

How often are ips actually reported and action taken? Rarely. Even rarer do they amount to anything.

I've got or have had several accounts on several sites. Technically I've been a fairly good member on each account, so there is no harm done. Some may get banned a few times, but big deal, they are not really taking anything from the tracker.

I'm protrading, I just don't think the problems with security are so serious. And the more open signup periods, the less likely people are to trade accounts.

[stoi]

Regarding cheat scripts.

A: they kill servers or you need a bloody good server/s to do it.

B: Oinks average size of torrents was 100meg say. other trackers its 4 gig+

C: even Oinks was not fool proof, I know people that cheated on Oink and got away with it, I also know people that did not cheat and got banned.

a perfect cheat script would be fantastic, but whatever a human makes, a human can destroy (or bypass) so we will never ever have a 100% foolproof script for cheaters, so if that is the case, i would rather have it, 20% auto 80% human intervention.

[integral]

Expanding on what I said before, I don't think there is some magical unchecked userbase filled with innocent users who don't trade/cheat and always seed to 1:1. Every place, no matter how small, is going to be tainted in some way.

mamacita touched on a point I was trying to express in my previous post in this thread. The process of getting new users should be personalized to some degree. Unfortunately as I said before every place is going to have some taint (some places more than others), but the more personal the recruitment process gets, the better chance you'll have of getting good people.

Whether this comes in the form of asking another tracker to accommodate you a thread on their forums, or enlisting trusted members to scout for new blood, you're going to have better luck the more personal you get.

Also, the severe misconception where people feel they _have_ to recruit other to torrent sites from other torrent-replated places should be stopped. Many trackers' FAQ pages tell you everything you need to know, so tracker userbases feeding off of each other shouldn't be the only option.

[CaptanAmerica]

want good members at good trackers? then delete all threads connected with trackers levels and leave only description of em. sure, what the point to anybody to get ftn/sct/etc if he even cant tie together with two words in the paper (at the forum in our position). so after that step well have at least a bit little collectors. old members ofc saved those threads but new who came at this torrenting world and dsnt know much about it will keep in their mind that they need any tracker by his description/stories abt it/etc. i hope so

i dont also think that the forum is the best place for making judgement about ppl. some of us came at forums for fun. in this point of view forums > irc, cuz we can see the posts that were made today, yesterday or weeks ago. and nowadays they are like chat for ppl, im not an exept in this case but i dont care. forums are forums and were made for long posts where u can be expressed and explain ur opinion. one post for one thread. if its not a big topic of conversation then 1 post is enuff. all we knew how some thread were blowed out with the shit and have no sense more. and i was there to help em, heh

if some1 needs a help - 2-3 posts (not offtopic ofc) and waiting for his reply. not nuff, then go next. summat

otoh if wed like to know the man we must go at irc. its the place where the gtm zones are still making some rules but the countries, skin color, religion arent important. im talking abt keeping a civil tongue. there are too many idiots those days, and thats why ircs better then forums cuz u can very fast learn whos who. as for me i can make my desicion about somebody at least with month. usually its about 40-50 hours of chatting with him

atm im done cant put here more then my .02 but id like to discuss more abt that and will make big post when ll have enuff time