Exposing vs Reporting

[Detale]

What rule did he break now?? I may have missed the report in the report section but surly Id take a second look at what you mean if you give me teh link. He said that they aren't a threat to HONEST people meaning people that dont trade. You know how I feel about talking shit with no proof man. get me on MSN and tell me what you mean when you get a swec

[danio]

meh, if fst weeded out all the fishy people, their ad revenues would decrease with like 90% or so. can't really blame them, can we?

[Albo Da Kid]

What rule did he break now?? I may have missed the report in the report section but surly Id take a second look at what you mean if you give me teh link. He said that they aren't a threat to HONEST people meaning people that dont trade. You know how I feel about talking shit with no proof man. get me on MSN and tell me what you mean when you get a swec

Well Ovisan is still cruising freely around here isn't he? Idoleyes doesn't even bother to look him up. IdolEyes refuses to create an account at T-i to verify this because "he doesn't like to ask for invites". He sure likes to have an account at Fsc/ftnetc.. though right? He was given decent proof by Cabalo and me to disable Ovisan, and he didn't. Instead he decided to jump on my throat. There are definitely some rules being broken here.

I am surprised how he didn't even flinch to disable my privs but he was too lazy to go and create an account at T-i to prove that the proof was right.

Anyway we talked about this yesterday Detale and I agreed with you, but I'm just pissed off at how I was mistreated by staff when I was trying to help and IdolEyes didn't even take a second to discuss it with me. He didn't even give a fuck about my effort and gave me a 5 point infraction just like that.

[cinephilia]

obviously, staff don't give a flying fuck about protecting members and they disable your privs when you expose scammers in the only intention to warn people...
so basically, if they don't want to "cooperate", i see no reason not to create dupe accounts to expose the bad apples when 'necessary' (scammers).

We disable your privileges when you break the rules here just as any site would do. I know some of you think that exposing scammers is the way to go but I think what you mean to say is that you're exposing traders not scammers. Also you are now suggesting that people break the rules here. This is NOT OK

Scammer denotes a trader which I know you personally C are against so are you saying now that there is a soft spot for the traders which you have denounced many times. I'm sure not so I pretty sure you mean traders so then you're off a bit as well.

no no, i was refering to what is called "scammers" in btland, i mean the worst scum around - those who steal and/or sell accounts/invites.
don't get me wrong, i'm not in favor of exposing every traders publicly (since trading is not against the rules) but what i say is that you should tolerate public revelations for special cases like ovisan one: this guy fooled almost all of us by building a good reputation and made us believe that he was a trustable guy... so knowing that he won't even be banned from fst, you could at least allow users with proofs to alert people about who he really is.

[IdolEyes787]

More philosophy albo- never try to reason with the unreasonable .

I don't know what T-i is .I assumed that it was a invite site that's the only reason that I put that in.Actually the whole purpose of the sentence was the second part which you conveniently left out.
Besides I don't see how you can blame me for not belonging to something that I have never heard of. I also don't how not joining such and such a site has anything to do with me being lax in my duties here.

Simple fact the proofs should have gone in the report section so yes there was definitely a rule broken here but not by me.

About the dp bit you really are a little weasel aren't you? I both pmed you to say that I was sorry about it but had no choice and even had someone who thinks that he is a friend of yours talk to you to make it clear that to you that it wasn't personal and that I really felt bad about it.
Funny that if you really wanted to discuss it you never got back to me.
I guess it wouldn't have allow for the drama and attention that you seem to so desperately need .

Bullshite like this burns my ass to the maximum degree.If albo you knew me even a tiny bit you would realize that I am the last person to intentionally screw anyone(including you) over .I am just here attempting to do my job to the best of my abilities and try make this site a better place.

[Cabalo]

More than 2.
All I have to say is if there is some agenda other than trying to help to people and keep this place civil then I guess I missed the memo.

Cheats ,scammers and traders are bad OK I get it but as bad as they represent little threat to anyone honest.
The ones (as in real life)who really worry me are the zealots and extremists who are willing to wrongly denounce their friends in the name of their cause.

go to the report section, and you will see how this situation was reported beforehand. It's a report made by me some days ago, way before the shit hit the fan.
you say that this kind of people doesn't represent a threat to anyone honest. I'll have to disagree on that point, not for the most obvious reason (i don't care if traders get scammed amongst themselves, actually it's quite entertaining when it happens):
this kind of users represent a threat to the forum itself. hence why the report was firstly made to the staff here. and you know what the answer was. this represents the lack of trust that is generally affecting this population, knowingly that such kind of users can roam freely around here, and not even be subjected to further inspection. You could have told me, ok, this evidence is not enough, please provide even more. I would have gotten it.
having such kind of population reflects on how the trackers frown upon users here, and the name of the place itself. that's what i had in mind when reporting this kind of people. because, indirectly, they do represent a threat to me, as a user here. and i won't even dig further on the dupe accounts that they might even have.

this attitude, imo, doesn't add anything positive to the forum's ambient. and that's a critic i think can be legitimately done when you say you are here "trying to help to people and keep this place civil".

about the difference in agendas, it's not something said in a negative way, just a clash of people's opinions.

by the way, yes i recently registered at T-I, as most of the tracker's staff also did, if you know what i mean... (by the way, no, i'm not a staffer at any site, nor do i befriend any of them, afaik).

[Detale]

What rule did he break now?? I may have missed the report in the report section but surly Id take a second look at what you mean if you give me teh link. He said that they aren't a threat to HONEST people meaning people that dont trade. You know how I feel about talking shit with no proof man. get me on MSN and tell me what you mean when you get a swec

Well Ovisan is still cruising freely around here isn't he? Idoleyes doesn't even bother to look him up. IdolEyes refuses to create an account at T-i to verify this because "he doesn't like to ask for invites". He sure likes to have an account at Fsc/ftnetc.. though right? He was given decent proof by Cabalo and me to disable Ovisan, and he didn't. Instead he decided to jump on my throat. There are definitely some rules being broken here.

I am surprised how he didn't even flinch to disable my privs but he was too lazy to go and create an account at T-i to prove that the proof was right.

Anyway we talked about this yesterday Detale and I agreed with you, but I'm just pissed off at how I was mistreated by staff when I was trying to help and IdolEyes didn't even take a second to discuss it with me. He didn't even give a fuck about my effort and gave me a 5 point infraction just like that.

Now easy there bub. I did say get me in a PM as doing this in public just makes you look bad. I know you think you're right and I wont pretend to know whats going on but this isn't the way to go about it at all. Now Did you make a report in the report section?

Secondly Idol nor any of us are not required to sign up at another site to investigate anything. We don't police the internet only FST. Not to mention if we don't know the staff are we to trust them 100%?

FST as a whole tries to keep all of our business "in house" we don't go by the word of other sites. I know from personal experience that a bad word about a user sometimes has a personal vendetta that comes with it. Again if this were you and you did nothing wrong would you want to be disabeld without 100% proof??

To say that Idol disabled you without flinching is just silly. He usually tries to get the other persons side of things first. You broke a serious rule here, especially combined with your other infractions. I know you mean well but you are misguided in your methods. Insulting him isn't winning you any points with him or the rest of us either.

If you really care about reporting this guy go through the proper channels and use the report section, get the proof we require and do it by the book, otherwise you wont get anywhere but disabled and pissed. oops too late Seriously do it the right way and it will be handled you have my word.

@ cinephilia Ok I see but in BT land scammer means one who has scammed like in a trade so you can see where the confusion was. And there is no special case that I can see allowed. What if there is a mistake?? Then the person is ruines and sorry isn't going to fix it. I'll say it again What if it were you? You would want us to be 100% sure right?

EDIT: @ Cabalo. I dont see the report you are talking about please PM me a link.
EDIT 2: I see ovisan reading this thread for at least 20 min now perhaps he would like to say something about this??

[Albo Da Kid]

IdolEyes how could I contact you when I was Dp'd. I understand it wasn't personal but I took it personal because I had put effort to let users know around here who Ovisan was, and you deleted all my posts and left his which made it look like he was innocent. If you deleted my posts it would have been right to delete his also. Ofcourse im going to take that personal.

Anyway I'm done with this subject.

FST as a whole tries to keep all of our business "in house" we don't go by the word of other sites. I know from personal experience that a bad word about a user sometimes has a personal vendetta that comes with it. Again if this were you and you did nothing wrong would you want to be disabeld without 100% proof??

To say that Idol disabled you without flinching is just silly. He usually tries to get the other persons side of things first. You broke a serious rule here, especially combined with your other infractions. I know you mean well but you are misguided in your methods. Insulting him isn't winning you any points with him or the rest of us either.

Detale, Ovisan had admited himself that that was his account. If you had scamming screenshots of me, and you had me admitting that the account was mine, then there would be no reason for me not to be disabled instantly.

I didn't try and offend Idoleyes. It's just that i didn't expect that from him because I know that he is the kind of guy that talks things over and tries to do the right thing when it comes to crooked members. I didn't really get mad at the DP part. What got me the most is that I got punished and the scammer didn't.

I know IdolEyes is not a bad guy. I was just shocked for something like this to happen where I get fucked because of some scum member.

[ovisan]

Cabalo I cant believe YOU said those things about me. I used to read your posts with joy, trying to learn something every time, you were my inspiration since the Sargent left us.
I am hurt, I am in my knees now, I am not trying to find out WHY or WHO done this to me, all I know is that when the truth will come out we will swap: I will look at you with different eyes, and maybe not only me, but everyone and you will became the hunted.

My official statement is: I have the same nickname on every tracker, same ip (not dynamic, I can bring proofs I am with Virgin Media for two years), I have never traded and never will. If anyone here can prove that that account is mine please do so, I have pmed my profile links to a few respectable users in here and I am ready to accept my punishment if anyone can bring one more proof that I am a trader.

I will try to explain a few of the dogy things I have seen in the screenshots. I have electROnik and TTi accounts with the same username as here in both sites, then why would I trade my electRonik account for another TTi account? It makes no sence. Then, G*T, the same username invited by the tracker owner 30 weeks ago after I ve completed the thingy in the mirc channel, or as you say I have traded it... with who? the tracker owner?

What else would you want to know? I will defend myself against anyone, against any attacks because I am innocent therefore not afraid. I have done bad things more than an year ago but trading was never between them. You all know about it, and I have got my punishmen then. It made me better, stronger.

I cannot beleave you have dragged my name thru mud like this, I loved FST and now, when I am finally able to give something back to the place that all started some greedy, full of envy people brought one fake proof and ... I am gutted.
I have one fst account please a mod confirm this.


I am sorry for me now, but soon I will feel sorry when I will read the thread "Public apology to OvISaN" started by Cabalo. You got it all wrong mate.

I will see you very soon

[Albo Da Kid]

My official statement is: I have the same nickname on every tracker, same ip (not dynamic, I can bring proofs I am with Virgin Media for two years), I have never traded and never will. If anyone here can prove that that account is mine please do so, I have pmed my profile links to a few respectable users in here and I am ready to accept my punishment if anyone can bring one more proof that I am a trader.

Someone please link the part of the post where he said his T-i account was hacked and he decided not to bother reporting it, and instead moved on. (I cant access the GA section.)

Ovisan you switched up your story once again. 2 days ago you said that that was in fact your account, but it was hacked and you weren't the one doing the scammings. Now you are coming in here with a whole different story saying that the account is not even yours and never was.


You also said that you would be doing some research to prove that the IP's didn't match. What happened with that??