Gay Rights

[Calvarian2003]

Originally posted by ilw@2 October 2003 - 14:36
Its not just single celled organisms, snails and slugs are commonly hermaphroditic ie they possess both sexual organs I'm not sure if that qualifies them as homosexual or not, but there is only a single sex so i think it does. Homosexuality as you state has been found in quite a large number of species in nature, no its not to continue the species, but so what that doesn't make it unnatural and its not contagious so what do you care if someone is happy being gay.
I think the psychological theory that its not all black and white in terms of your sexuality is quite a widely held and respected view I rather doubt its one psychologist on his own.

STD's are more easily spread through male homosexual sex (though not female) because basically your arse isn't up to that kind of treatment, the solution here probably isn't to ban all gay sex, perhaps a more reasonable approach would be promote the use of condoms?

Until we know what causes homosexuality the wild theories abound, I would bet large amounts of money that its more complex than "emotional detachment from the parent of the same sex" , my personal opinion is that like most things its a nature and nurture thing, ie genetic and environmental.

As for depression among gays, that may have a good deal to do with the way society and in particular people such as yourself treat them. (and this depression along with the STD problem undoubtedly contribute to earlier deaths, though I have a shred of doubt about your figures.)

No, it doesn't qualify them as homosexuals. Homosexuality cannot exist in single gender species.

And yes, that does make it unnatural. The very definition of unnatural is that which is not commonly found in natural environments.

The psychologist I quoted is not on his own. He is one of many in his field. He is just the most well known that I could find, anyway.

"my personal opinion is that like most things its a nature and nurture thing, ie genetic and environmental."

You're entitled to your opinion, ilw, but since you've no training or experience in the subject, I'll place my faith in the expert.

It's pretentious of you to claim how I *treat* homosexuals. How on earth would you know? I'll have you know I treat them as I would any other person, with respect. Just because I disagree with their sexual preference doesn't mean I don't view them as unhuman or anything.

Besides, if homosexuality is nothing to be ashamed of, then why should homosexuals suffer such high rates of depression? How about, because their in-built sense of conscience is telling them that they're doing the wrong thing. Just a thought.

[Billy_Dean]

Originally posted by Calvarian2003@2 October 2003 - 23:33
Petty, BD, even for you. I have two questions for you (feel free to decline them if you see fit):

1. What country are you from/living in?
2. Why are you such a 'shit stirrer'?

I thought this board had some sort of restriction as to personal abuse on members, or was that just an honour system? Yeah, that sounds more like it actually. You can draw your own conclusions from that Billy Dean...

I'll make you a deal. you stop posting shit, and I'll stop stirring it!

[lynx]

Originally posted by El_Jefe+2 October 2003 - 14:46--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (El_Jefe @ 2 October 2003 - 14:46)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by lynx@2 October 2003 - 06:45
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@2 October 2003 - 09:49
I believe some psychologist pointed out that everyone is on a single scale of sexuality. The scale ranges from "never" same sex, to "always" same sex.....but that in the end everyone is bi-sexual, to some extent.

Not up to your usual standard, RF.

"A psychologist pointed out that...". Oh well, it MUST be true if a psychologist pointed it out. I remember at university that you could either do a proper degree, but if you weren&#39;t quite good enough for that (or just plain lazy), you could do a degree in psychology - two whole hours of lectures per week, and an essay to write once per fortnight, I don&#39;t know how they managed it. Obviously the staff couldn&#39;t understand it either, because after the first year they dropped to a single one hour lecture per week. Still, it&#39;s good to know that these well trained people are there to guide us.

I may be wrong, but I think RF is referring to Alfred Kinsey and his seven point scale of sexual orientation.

He was originally a biology professor, whose specialty was entomology. [/b][/quote]
Sounds like he had a bug up his arse.

[Calvarian2003]

Originally posted by El_Jefe+2 October 2003 - 14:46--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (El_Jefe @ 2 October 2003 - 14:46)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by lynx@2 October 2003 - 06:45
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@2 October 2003 - 09:49
I believe some psychologist pointed out that everyone is on a single scale of sexuality. The scale ranges from "never" same sex, to "always" same sex.....but that in the end everyone is bi-sexual, to some extent.

Not up to your usual standard, RF.

"A psychologist pointed out that...". Oh well, it MUST be true if a psychologist pointed it out. I remember at university that you could either do a proper degree, but if you weren&#39;t quite good enough for that (or just plain lazy), you could do a degree in psychology - two whole hours of lectures per week, and an essay to write once per fortnight, I don&#39;t know how they managed it. Obviously the staff couldn&#39;t understand it either, because after the first year they dropped to a single one hour lecture per week. Still, it&#39;s good to know that these well trained people are there to guide us.

I may be wrong, but I think RF is referring to Alfred Kinsey and his seven point scale of sexual orientation.

He was originally a biology professor, whose specialty was entomology. [/b][/quote]
Congrats El Jefe&#33; One could easily write a book on how bigoted and ignorant Kinsey and his report were. And in fact, one has&#33; Or several to be precise. His lies are the reason everyone seems to believe that &#39;10%&#39; of the population is homosexual. Since his studies were done mostly on prisoners and sexual deviants, it&#39;s no surprise he came to that conclusion.

[ilw]

If u accept that theres a sex (even a single one) then the sex has to be between same sex creatures and hence homosexuality, but thats semantics and completely useless.

yes i did assume that with the level of distaste you seem to express here on homosexuality that you (even if not openly) treat your homosexual acquaintances differently to heterosexual ones. Is this completely untrue? I didn&#39;t mean to imply you are a gaybasher or anything simply that the ostracism homosexuals face is often less to do with the extreme homophobes and more to do with the larger group who simply will never accept them for who they are.

you claim to be listening to the expert(s), but theres experts claiming that theres genetic predispositions and physiological differences between hetero and homosexuals, my personal opinion was based on having listened to both sides of the argument, your post makes it sound like you&#39;ve found the only expert.

yes perhaps its their conscience

Edit: btw your avatar doesn&#39;t work, remove the preceding http:// (you;ve got http://http:// at the moment)

[Calvarian2003]

Thanks for the advice ilw. It should be working now.

I didn&#39;t mean to give the impression I&#39;d found the only expert. I&#39;m aware that many doctors/psychiatrists/etc. support the &#39;inherent&#39; homosexuality theory.

I&#39;m just wary of these geneticists who claim that a gene is responsible. Fair enough a gene may predispose something to a particular way of behaving, but the person&#39;s free will is the be all and end all. If we starting believing that we&#39;re slaves to our genes, then we remove all consequences from our actions. What would happen a homicidal gene was discovered? Can you imagine the law cases? It would be endless. I was just trying to make the point that it&#39;s a choice, just like anything else in this life. In the end (unless there&#39;s a gun to your head), you decide what you do or don&#39;t do, regardless of your heart, gut feeling, or anything else. It&#39;s all in the mind.

[Calvarian2003]

Originally posted by Billy_Dean+2 October 2003 - 14:51--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Billy_Dean @ 2 October 2003 - 14:51)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Calvarian2003@2 October 2003 - 23:33
Petty, BD, even for you. I have two questions for you (feel free to decline them if you see fit):

1. What country are you from/living in?
2. Why are you such a &#39;shit stirrer&#39;?

I thought this board had some sort of restriction as to personal abuse on members, or was that just an honour system? Yeah, that sounds more like it actually. You can draw your own conclusions from that Billy Dean...

I&#39;ll make you a deal. you stop posting shit, and I&#39;ll stop stirring it&#33;


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Ha&#33; Nice try BD. But I will make you deal. Stop posting on this site altogether and you&#39;ll stop looking like such a fool.

[ilw]

Well we have mental illness which you can be genetically predisposed to and in a homicide case if the perpetrator had one of these illnesses then it would be taken into account, ie limited culpability and different sentencing because of it. When something goes wrong in your brain you have 0 control over it.

Anyway this still doesn&#39;t explain why you care whether someone is gay, it doesn&#39;t really affect you does it. Is this some kind of altruism, are you trying to help these people? Can you not see the possibility that you&#39;ve got it wrong and that you&#39;ll just be hurting them.

[Billy_Dean]

You&#39;re wasting your time with this one ilw, look where he gets his "authority" from...
Source

[Calvarian2003]

ilw, this forum originally started as a question as to whether or not gay couples should be able to marry or adopt kids, didn&#39;t it? I don&#39;t think they should.

Why do I care? Yeah, altruism would be it. The general trend of everything I have read and seen up until this point would indicate to me that homosexuality is not a good way to live. In any case, I doubt how I could possibly hurt a homosexual by posting a few messages on a single message board???

P.S. Billy Dean.... your ignorance shines through once again. Don&#39;t think I use religion as the sole source of my authority. It&#39;s hard not to when you examine the FACTS. Still, I count my religion as greater authority than your delusional and fallible mind any day.