Gay Rights

[J'Pol]

Great A'Tuin.

On topic, it really is a legal issue, given that for those who do not believe in God there can be no religious aspect. For those who do then they probably believe that God either accepts the marriage or he does not. We do not decide for him.

So from a purely legal standpoint, if two people wish to take out a contract with each other and sign it in front of witnesses and someone empowered by the state to authorise the contract then let them. It really is their own business whether they are both men, both women, or one of each.

[jbrockz]

Anyway, everyone knows, thanks to the insights provided by Terry Pratchett, that there are four elephants between the world and the turtle.

love the guy...haven't read all 26, but he really cracks me up. maybe if galileo was thwarted, that would be our perception

Perhaps I mis-read the introduction to Brief History...

as i wrote above, ''i cannot speak for stephen hawking, but i can tell you what i think''.

[hobbes]

Originally posted by Biggles@21 September 2003 - 13:56
Perhaps I mis-read the introduction to Brief History, but I took the quote to mean not that the little old lady really believed that the world was flat and sat upon an infinite number of turtles, but rather she was humourously demonstrating that "knowing" anything required, to a degree, a leap of faith. I took its inclusion in Stephan Hawkings book to indicate that he himself approached the subject matter with a element of humility and was not claiming to offer the whole truth (whatever that might actually mean).

  Anyway, everyone knows, thanks to the insights provided by Terry Pratchett, that there are four elephants between the world and the turtle.

I find it no more difficult to believe that she honestly believed in turtles, than others literally believing that Noah built an ark over 104 year period, collected 2 of all the world animals, and God killed every animal and plant on the planet.

Reading that story, I did not get the picture that the old woman was being anything more than literal. Perhaps I did not pick up on her subtle irony.

Anyway, the whole concept of science is to know something without relying on faith. Galileo did not say that the earth is round because a raven whispered it in his ear. He used his observational skills to intuit that the Earth was a round structure. Then, based on this assumption, he designed experiments to test this idea.

So I know that if I drop my shorts they will fall to my ankles, I am a man of science. Next time I drop my shorts though, I will do it in the privacy of my own home

[bigboab]

Are you lot on the original thread here?

[Billy_Dean]

Bishop John Spong discussing homosexual rights.

Just to bring this thread back on topic.

[protak]

Flamer or not???? If ya think this is normal behavior folk's have another drink. Sodom and Gamora, the lord clearly states two men shall not lay down together. If ya think it's a trend, or fad or phase or whatever..... wrong. The aids arguement can be just that an arguement. But the fact is, it is still a predominantely gay disease, and to think there's no God!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Billy_Dean]

Hi tim, don't see you over this way much, how is ya?

So let me get this straight, God, whoever She is, decided to wipe out gays, so sent AIDS down to get rid of them. Is that right?

So, two questions:
1. Why did She allow it to spread to the hetero community?
2. Why didn't She just cure them?

[jbrockz]

lol, billy

[junkyardking]

Originally posted by protak@22 September 2003 - 07:07
Flamer or not???? If ya think this is normal behavior folk's have another drink. Sodom and Gamora, the lord clearly states two men shall not lay down together. If ya think it's a trend, or fad or phase or whatever..... wrong. The aids arguement can be just that an arguement. But the fact is, it is still a predominantely gay disease, and to think there's no God!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What aload of shit, Christian bull, your god also said do not steal but as you’re on a p2p board I assume you use p2p for the latest music and whatever.
As I understand you can’t argue that Copyright Infringement is not stealing in front of your God.

I also see Aids Education has failed for you and you wish to dwell in ignorance, Aids is predominantly now a heterosexual disease, millions of Africans can account for this.

As HIV/Aids is mostly contracted though sexual activity alot of Christians see this as Gods punishment because them and there God have "issues" with sex.

You notice how all the other diseases which have mostly nothing to do with sex, Cancer, Heart disease, stroke, influenza, SARS and so on
Receive little attention from Christians yet they kill more than Aids.

Any excuse to be a Bigot I say.

[Billy_Dean]

I think Tim's point about AIDS, (correct me if I'm wrong Tim), is that it was started by Gay men practicing anal sex, and spread to the heterosexual community through bi-sexual men. Once in the hetero community it spread rapidly because of the greater population involved.