Gay Rights

[Biggles]

Aids has always been a largely heterosexual disease. The overwhelming majority of cases in the world are heterosexual. It has been around perhaps 50 years or more and is endemic in many sub-Saharan populations.

The fact that the disease was introduced initially to the US and some European countries through homosexual contact is well known.

However, to call it a divine judgement on homosexuals shows not the nature of God but rather how ethno-centric we are and how parochial some commentators are. Would your God really kill millions of African children to get at a few thousand US homosexuals?

[protak]

Originally posted by Billy_Dean@22 September 2003 - 08:38
I think Tim's point about AIDS, (correct me if I'm wrong Tim), is that it was started by Gay men practicing anal sex, and spread to the heterosexual community through bi-sexual men. Once in the hetero community it spread rapidly because of the greater population involved.

Yes Rikk that is my point. Cancer and all those other disease's that kill, have been around for hundred's of year's unlike aid's, which I believe became predominant in the late 70's early 80's ( In North America). To blame God for not just healing us is, well ludicrous, he did'nt start this or any disease, we did, whether it be from bad diet's, smoking, drinking, car and industrial pollution, the list is just too long, to continue. I live in Canada were they allow same sex marriage...PPPPLEASSSE.
If ya want to be a fag or les that's up to you, your choice, but please don't shove it down our throat, dont ask for special right's, because I can think of no fewer than 10-20 ? different organizations or groups that really deserve rights, that have'nt even been acknowledged. But that starts a completely different thread.
EDIT NOTE: I did not say it was god's divine judgement on homosexual's, someone took my personal opinion, to think I was speaking on behalf of a christian belief.....

[protak]

Originally posted by Billy_Dean@22 September 2003 - 07:25
Hi tim, don't see you over this way much, how is ya?

So let me get this straight, God, whoever She is, decided to wipe out gays, so sent AIDS down to get rid of them. Is that right?

So, two questions:
1. Why did She allow it to spread to the hetero community?
2. Why didn't She just cure them?

Hey Billy how are ya????
To answer your question NO!!!!!!!
1. Lifestyle..
2. Lifestyle..
If we can't live by the law's of the land why would he.

[hobbes]

Originally posted by protak+22 September 2003 - 19:11--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (protak &#064; 22 September 2003 - 19:11)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Billy_Dean@22 September 2003 - 08:38
I think Tim&#39;s point about AIDS, (correct me if I&#39;m wrong Tim), is that it was started by Gay men practicing anal sex, and spread to the heterosexual community through bi-sexual men. Once in the hetero community it spread rapidly because of the greater population involved.

Yes Rikk that is my point. Cancer and all those other disease&#39;s that kill, have been around for hundred&#39;s of year&#39;s unlike aid&#39;s, which I believe became predominant in the late 70&#39;s early 80&#39;s ( In North America). To blame God for not just healing us is, well ludicrous, he did&#39;nt start this or any disease, we did, whether it be from bad diet&#39;s, smoking, drinking, car and industrial pollution, the list is just too long, to continue. I live in Canada were they allow same sex marriage...PPPPLEASSSE.
If ya want to be a fag or les that&#39;s up to you, your choice, but please don&#39;t shove it down our throat, dont ask for special right&#39;s, because I can think of no fewer than 10-20 ? different organizations or groups that really deserve rights, that have&#39;nt even been acknowledged. But that starts a completely different thread.
EDIT NOTE: I did not say it was god&#39;s divine judgement on homosexual&#39;s, someone took my personal opinion, to think I was speaking on behalf of a christian belief.....[/b][/quote]
How does equal = special? This is a legal issue, not a religious one. Your God is just a story you made up, as are the rules you gave him. BTW, God causes almost every disease. Have you heard of micro-organisms? Bad diet and drinking doesn&#39;t create them. Remember the bubonic plague, 75% of the human population died. In fact, the 1918 influenza pandemic killed up to 40 million, did this happen because we were snacking betwen meals?

I thought that using guilt to explain illness (you are sick because you are naughty- God is punishing you) went out a while back, with blood letting and witch hunting.



As noted in the thread, homosexual activity has been documented in primates, indicating that this is not a morality issue. This is how some people are born. The essence of being homosexual is not the sex act but the arousal.

Whether you have sex or not changes nothing. If you are physically aroused by same sex then you are homosexual. Why would God let babies be born with natural urges that would lead them to damnation?

I have liked females since before kindergarten, I really didn&#39;t know what I wanted from them until my testicular tumor started to control my mind, but always I knew I liked their smell, touch and presence.

Hell yeah, I (we all) pretended to hate each other as grade schoolers with cootie spray and such, but as Shakespeare said, "Me thinks the woman doth protest too much".

Anyway, did any of you sit down and vote. Did you logically tally up the pros and cons of women vs men. 3 to 2 is the final score, looks like I&#39;m going with the ladies. Hell no, you didn&#39;t, you have no concious control over this.


Protak:
"But the fact is, it is still a predominantely gay disease, and to think there&#39;s no God&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; "

As for AIDS, it seems you make up your facts, just like you make up your God. You conjure them from nothingness. What were we to garner from that last bit, other than this is God&#39;s judgemnet? Or did you just wish to lead us down that path and at the end say, "Oh, I wasn&#39;t implying nothin&#39;".

The reason that it is transmitted more efficiently from male to male is that the passage used is more fragile than the vagina, there is absolutely nothing magical about it- no "gay" bullet. And homosexual intercourse NEVER created the virus, it has been around all along and humans are the new host.

Anyway, your posts have been well balanced. Equal parts ignorance and intolerance. The neat thing is that I will flamed for that line, but no one will comment on this " If ya want to be a fag or les that&#39;s up to you, your choice, but please don&#39;t shove it down our throat, dont ask for special right&#39;s" Go figure.

[protak]

Ohhh I get it know, when you change the law that is not special, that is equal....
My God is Jesus, the bible is the oldest book in the world, maybe you should try reading it. No don&#39;t you&#39;ll probably disagree with all of it. I did not say sick people were naughty, and being punished, I merely implied that there diet&#39;s and/or lifestyle may not help.[B]

" Bad diet and drinking does&#39;nt create them". "Have you heard of micro-organism"?

"Public opinion survey&#39;s show consumer&#39;s believe the biggest threat to health originates in man- made substances in food-preservatives and flavouring&#39;s. YET the world health organisation, has confirmed the greatest danger&#39;s actually come from naturally occurring micro-organism&#39;s such as salmonella and certain strain&#39;s of E-coli."

If this whole argument is about legal issues and not religious, then should the different religious groups that do not sanction this whole issue, have the wright to fight it in court also? Should heterosexual people that don&#39;t think this is normal have anti-gay parades? Atleast we have one thing in common, Your posts have an equal amount of ignorance and....intolerance.... :x

[MagicNakor]

Unfortunately, the Bible isn&#39;t the oldest book in the world.

That honour goes to a six-page book of gold written in Etruscan. You can see it if you&#39;re in Sofia, Bulgaria.

Edit: A religious group that does not sanction gay-marriage doesn&#39;t have to fight anything in court. They just simply refuse to perform one.

[protak]

Unfortunately, the bible is&#39;nt the oldest book in the world

I fail to agreeHistory of the English Bible
Scroll to bottom for dates...
And i was&#39;nt talking about same sex marriage....

[MagicNakor]

Here.

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by MagicNakor@23 September 2003 - 05:27


Edit: A religious group that does not sanction gay-marriage doesn&#39;t have to fight anything in court. They just simply refuse to perform one.

I think I said something like that earlier, however in a more verbose way.

It is not a religious matter (see my earler). It is purely a legal contract as such I have no problem with whoever wants to marry.

Personally my marriage in the eyes of God means more to me than my marriage in the eyes of the state. (Which I can take or leave). To me my marriage is an oath before God, not a contract.

[MagicNakor]

Originally posted by JPaul@23 September 2003 - 09:10
I think I said something like that earlier, however in a more verbose way...

Certainly. I just summarized.