Attention FST (Staff and Users)

[Disme]

traders are n00bs because they're still looking for invites to bittorrent sites.

I do wonder what you think about people that hang around on IRC and tracker-forums for 24 hours a day and you see them popping up in every place related to BT in about 1 month time.

I'm against trading, but I have found out that the hardest to get trackers are all populated with the same people. I guess these people are n00bs too, because they're still looking for invites to bittorrent sites. Not as obvious as a trader or a real newbie does, but still they are.
They hardly ever decline an invite when presented and keep chasing the ones that aren't in the're portfolio yet.

[Bone.W.Machine]

traders are n00bs because they're still looking for invites to bittorrent sites.

I do wonder what you think about people that hang around on IRC and tracker-forums for 24 hours a day and you see them popping up in every place related to BT in about 1 month time.

I'm against trading, but I have found out that the hardest to get trackers are all populated with the same people. I guess these people are n00bs too, because they're still looking for invites to bittorrent sites. Not as obvious as a trader or a real newbie does, but still they are.
They hardly ever decline an invite when presented and keep chasing the ones that aren't in the're portfolio yet.

Good point there, Disme.
I see the same faces no matter where I go, and I've also received multiple pms asking about invites from persons that collects.
And even though I deny them an invite I will see them on the tracker they asked about in a day or two anyways.

so uhh IdolEyes787... Would your posts be considered spam? Ironic, as a mod, that you introduce a completely random topic completely unrelated to this thread.

https://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/f-bit...omeback-328238

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Perhaps this thread has served its point already.

What would this place be without spam? Boring if you ask me.
IdolEyes is doing a great job here.

[benficao]

If they, spend that much time, effort, and are nice guys, who really like to know ppl, make friends, help out in anyway, development, supporting, Etc,

Thats not a bad thing at all.

I know some of them, and mostly, theyre great ppl, who really like to get envolved, in trackers.

Thats a good thing, i think, since at least everyone knows them, they dont have notting to hide.

Maybe a closed group off ppl, but notting much. (ps: not all of them are collectors, simple curiosity, or instead, off playing games, etc, they prefer to spend their time on the irc, whille in their job hours, or something)

[IdolEyes787]

so uhh IdolEyes787... Would your posts be considered spam? Ironic, as a mod, that you introduce a completely random topic completely unrelated to this thread.

https://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/f-bit...omeback-328238

...

Perhaps this thread has served its point already.

I only believe something is spam if it's sole purpose is to harmful,either against the thread or against another person posting in it.Even then it will have to be an extreme case before I will penalize anyone for it. cough cough Bone

I don't see discussion or joking as spam .In case you hadn't noticed rl conversation has a tendency to wander off topic. I think the technical term is being friendly but I am not really that smart so I could be wrong.

Besides if you truly want to know the post wasn't really about the movie Valkyrie at all it was an inside joke about my feelings about certain policies here at FST and therefore actually on topic .

[danio]

Good point there, Disme.
I see the same faces no matter where I go, and I've also received multiple pms asking about invites from persons that collects.
And even though I deny them an invite I will see them on the tracker they asked about in a day or two anyways.

Does this mean that you are everywhere yourself? (j/k btw, because i already know that you are)

[Bone.W.Machine]

Good point there, Disme.
I see the same faces no matter where I go, and I've also received multiple pms asking about invites from persons that collects.
And even though I deny them an invite I will see them on the tracker they asked about in a day or two anyways.

Does this mean that you are everywhere yourself? (j/k btw, because i already know that you are)

No, I'm not everywhere, but I used to be at many places.

[danio]

I do wonder what you think about people that hang around on IRC and tracker-forums for 24 hours a day and you see them popping up in every place related to BT in about 1 month time.

I'm against trading, but I have found out that the hardest to get trackers are all populated with the same people. I guess these people are n00bs too, because they're still looking for invites to bittorrent sites. Not as obvious as a trader or a real newbie does, but still they are.
They hardly ever decline an invite when presented and keep chasing the ones that aren't in the're portfolio yet.

Tell me Disme, how do you know all this unless you are a member of the very same trackers yourself?

This goes out to every elitist on this board who judge people they see on the forums and irc channels of these smaller trackers for being collectors, saying "no matter where i go there's always the same people talking in the forums". How do you know this? Think about that for a second. Don't be too quick to judge others because you might be just as much of a collector yourself.

Disme, i apologize if i misinterpreted your post and quoted you unfairly.

[The Flying Cow]

Ultimately the trackers you join should really be just an image of what you steal from the web.

Being in a tracker without, even if sporadically, stopping by there to get something, is just pointless.

Being in trackers and bragging about it is the saddest of all though.

[Intr4ns1t]

[start novel]

My question in the whole collector issue, is where is the line between someone who is in a bunch of sites for e-penis, versus someone who is in a bunch of sites for politics, or even for the bigger community that drives the private tracker world. 2 of the 3 I don't see a problem with tbh, and don't know why anyone would. As long as interaction is occurring, and files are moving, those latter 2 cases are perfectly legitimate to me.

It's generally those members that are part of the bigger BT community that keep sites online, either through possessing and using a seedbox, or facilitating cross-site communication, not to mention, they are generally the members that actually donate to the trackers they love which is the most neccessary factor in ANY tracker staying online.

As far as politics, well... politics are a part of BT and will be as long as there is any social aspect to this field. The truth is, if you get heavily involved in any site that makes community a focus, and partake of the private bt world outside just one site, it's hard not to be at least a little curious about the sites that get talked about elsewhere. With so many sites out there, how could you not?

Truth is, trackers are easily equated with the baseball card craze of the 80's and 90's. As their popularity grew, the relative value of those cards grew at an astronomical rate until there were lots of cards worth thousands of dollars out there, which only served to drive that inflation even harder and faster. They then started to stop being about the game that they were a representation of, and started being about money alone. Rarity was a primary determination of worth, and if the parallel inferred by that isn't obvious, then I recommend spectacles.

Anyone who was a collector had a copy of Beckett's Baseball Card Price guide (=WTAW) to keep from getting robbed at the local card shows, and the really devout collectors subscribed to Becketts monthly periodical showing up to date changes in the worth of cards based on performance, popularity, rarity and quality. hmmm...

Frankly, the question really should be, how did trackers become a commodity? FST didn't do that, no matter how many people like think so. The WTAW thread may perpetuate the commodity aspect, but they didn't start that fire burning. I, personally, think that the commodity aspect is the biggest problem in private trackers and the communities that surround and support them.

I really wish I knew how that could be removed, but barring going public like mininova or isohunt, it's almost unavoidable, so you deal with it as staff. I know that the thing I hate most in my user base in inactivity, not traders. I don't actually hate traders as human beings, because that is just absurd. That may sound silly, especially considering our stance on traders, but to consider someone a lesser form of life or something to that effect because they are a trader is just ridiculous to me.

The main problem in trading, is that it's taking the "tracker" out of trackers. It stops being about torrents, and starts being about a wholly different thing than collecting files. That "thing" is incongruous with the goal of the sites themselves, and that's what makes it so dangerous. It makes security measures ineffective via removing the care for security. In fact, it has become about countering those very security measures, and that is very dangerous indeed.

Even if only 1 out of 1000 traders is a truly dangerous person to give access to ip's of your member base, that is still a defeat of the understood goal of private trackers, namely to protect those ip's.

[end novel]

I'm sure most folks will consider this post "tldr", but that is how I view things from my experience.

[Disme]

I do wonder what you think about people that hang around on IRC and tracker-forums for 24 hours a day and you see them popping up in every place related to BT in about 1 month time.

I'm against trading, but I have found out that the hardest to get trackers are all populated with the same people. I guess these people are n00bs too, because they're still looking for invites to bittorrent sites. Not as obvious as a trader or a real newbie does, but still they are.
They hardly ever decline an invite when presented and keep chasing the ones that aren't in the're portfolio yet.

Tell me Disme, how do you know all this unless you are a member of the very same trackers yourself?

This goes out to every elitist on this board who judge people they see on the forums and irc channels of these smaller trackers for being collectors, saying "no matter where i go there's always the same people talking in the forums". How do you know this? Think about that for a second. Don't be too quick to judge others because you might be just as much of a collector yourself.

Disme, i apologize if i misinterpreted your post and quoted you unfairly.

I am indeed part of a fair share of trackers, but I know I could be in a whole lot more if I adopted another strategy. The strategy I described earlier. Being omnipresent for a while in IRC and tracker communities to get to know people and go on an invite-scavenge. And when getting to know people a litlle better starting to sollicitate for invites to places that aren't on their memberships-list yet.

That's not my modus-operandi. I tend to get to know people better and if they like me and think I could be an asset to the places they already reside and I don't they will offer me an invite, but I will not sollicitate for that myself in any way. I also decline a lot of offers, since some dedicated trackers just don't appeal to me, no matter what 'level' or 'rarity'.

I'm targetting people that tend to be everywhere and are rather active when arriving in a new place, but the moment they get a new spot on an even rarer tracker you can see their activity decline and shift to that new place, until they shift to yet another new tracker.

In the end they are omnipresent, but they stop contributing to all those places they are members. Off course not all people are like that and I know a whole lot of guys that are everywhere and remain active (I guess they have a lot of spare time )

My reply was directed towards PB's statements on traders being n00bs because they were still chasing invites. If this is a correct assumption, not only traders are n00bs ... the other non-traders I was just describing would be n00bs too because they are also chasing invites trough other methods.